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April 27, 2003
French Duplicity

Apparently France has been keeping Saddam Hussein appraised of the diplomatic contact between it and America in the months leading up to war. While it is unclear whether or not the French went so far as to feed military intelligence to the Iraqis, they briefed Hussein's regime on the steps America was taking to sell the world on pre-emptive action.

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France never wanted peace. They're just on the other side.

I'm having problems keeping them on the Axis of Weasels, they're more likely to be on the Axis of EVIL soon. Chirac is a legitimate military target.

Posted by: Cowboy Bob on April 27, 2003 08:54 AM

And as if it isn't bad enough already, France looks to be right on course to become completely overrun with Islamofascists in about 10 years.

Posted by: Watcher on April 27, 2003 02:16 PM

I'd give Chirac a good, swift kick in the pants - but I'd hate to ruin a perfectly good pair of shoes.

Posted by: shawn2k on April 27, 2003 06:54 PM

The French who fancy themselves masters of diplomacy, have broken the cardinal rule of diplomacy. As have the Germans, as have the Russians.

For those of you who are sweetly thinking the cardinal rule is honest brokers don't betray confidences...alas, no. Regrettably there is no Sunday school of diplomacy.

The cardinal rule of diplomacy is not to get caught betraying your confidences. Diplomacy is just the nice term for the rules of duplicity at the level of nations. The French love the game. Americans instinctively shun it.

Here's a bit of banjaxed French diplomacy caught out.

Napoleon skipped Elba and resumed his mischief on the continent. Seeking to disrupt relations between the Russian and Habsburg empires, he sent the Czar the secret treaty concluded between France, Austria, and Britain, which he had found in Louis XVIII’s desk at the Tuileries. Alexander merely showed it to the embarrassed Metternich and then put it on the fire, saying, "Let us forget all that. The question now is to overthrow our common enemy."

They declared that Napoleon had placed himself outside the pale of civil and social relations, and renewed the Treaty of Chaumont. The 100 Days War followed. Napoleon was cashiered to St. Helena.

If the French were better students of their own history, they might fare better than their own history. But they think themselves very clever at stirring the pot.

DGB

Posted by: Damian Bennett on April 27, 2003 08:46 PM

How pathetic. Do you have anything better to do with your time other than whine about France? "whine, France didn't do this, whine, france did do that, [insert lame french joke here]". It's so stupid. France opposed breaking international law in what was an extremely contentious diplomatic issue. You can argue that we did it for humanitarian reasons (we didn't), but it's legal basis was in WMDs that we didn't find, and as such, any reasonable member of the security council had an obligation to oppose action. Hardly something that warrants the single-minded obsession with France seen here and elsewhere in the US.

If you just like making fun of France, then you should shut up about "Anti-Americanism" because French people don't expend 1/10th the energy bashing America than you do bashing France.

Posted by: dfgdhg on April 28, 2003 02:29 PM

dfgdhg,

How pathetic. Do you have nothing better to do with your time other than whine about Pave France? "Whine, Pave France is so stupid. Whine, [insert bogus argument not being advanced in this forum here]. Whine, [insert toss-off apology for French diplomatic gamesmanship here]."

But your whining beats your processional thinking hands down. Perhaps you could provide us the necessary enthymemes to sort out this string of non sequiturs:

"If you just like making fun of France, then you should shut up about "Anti-Americanism" because French people don't expend 1/10th the energy bashing America than you do bashing France.

It's so stupid.

Oh, be a sport, could you lend us your Bash-o-Meter®. We're keen to verify the French are only expending a 1/10th the energy of our effort. Typical fainéants.

DGB

Posted by: Damian Bennett on April 28, 2003 03:09 PM

Ah, but I don't create a website called pavepavefrance.com, with a whole staff of regular contributors, that's the difference. My time investment here is small, and will be finished in 15 minutes. If you think being on the more rational side of an international dispute is not a defense of France, then nothing ever will be, regardless of their "diplomatic gamesmanship" (which exists with all countries, including the US, and makes international relations so funny).

You should also drop the pretentious criticisms; if you have trouble decoding a simple sentence, use a pencil and paper. I'm sure you can graph it out correctly after a few tries. In case you're having trouble, I'll clarify it for you:

You don't like french anti-americanism. It's mentioned throughout the site, and most americans probably don't like it.

Since there is no reason to be pissed at france in the security council debacle, as they had a point, then you're just doing it for some other reason. That's your choice, I tell polish and jewish jokes and all kinds of other racist jokes too, though I have nothing against those people. It seems to me however, that you do have something against the french, something deeper than their foreign policy or their occasional rudeness and arrogance, considering some of the remarks on the site, and the great extent you have taken it to.

Therefore, you should shut up about french anti-americanism on this site, since you have demonstrated your potential to meet it and exceed it in what I would call "anti-frenchism" or something similar. So has the US government. The French government isn't the one pettily renaming "american cheese" "freedom cheese".

I suspect this preoccupation with france would worry most mental health professionals. Anyway, I'll leave you to entertain yourself now. With all those slick deoderant and prostitute jokes, who needs scathing french humor?

Posted by: dfgdhg on April 28, 2003 05:37 PM

dfgdhg,

We are surprised to learn your investment approaches 15 minutes.

Thank you for sharing your predilections for "polish and jewish jokes and all kinds of other racist jokes". We are at a loss as to what this personal confession has to do with the pull quote from your earlier post:

"If you just like making fun of France, then you should shut up about 'Anti-Americanism' because French people don't expend 1/10th the energy bashing America than you do bashing France."

Since you seem bereft of graph paper we'll try to map out the processional disconnects in the argument you seem to be advancing:

Protasis: If you just like making fun of France
Apodosis: then you should shut up about 'Anti-Americanism'
Proecthesis: because French people don't expend 1/10th the energy bashing America than you do bashing France

The protasis provides the condition by which the apodosis is realized or affirmed. But what about "making fun of France" should condition our "shutting up about 'Anti-Americanism'"? We look to your proecthesis for an answer. Alas, we look in vain. There appear to be no causal links in the procession of your argument.

If you continue having trouble decoding your own sentences, try thinking first.

No offense where none intended, dfgdhg.

My five minutes are up.

DGB

BTW, dfgdhg. Charming name. Would your last name be "qwerty"?

Posted by: Damian Bennett on April 28, 2003 11:33 PM
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