Notorious anti-globalization, anti-American terrorist farmer/activist José Bove, who had been serving a 10-month sentence after destroying genetically modified crops, was freed today, after serving only one month in prison.
Bove had already benefited a four-month reduction of his sentence following the traditional Bastille Day and presidential pardons.
A French judge has ruled that Bove's sentence could be converted. Bove will then complete his sentence at home, working part-time for a farm, part-time pursuing his terrorist unions activities. WITHOUT any surveillance of the prison or the police. Basically, all he'll have to do is go to the local police station every 15 days to show he's still around, working for the above-mentioned farm.
Actually, the French judge who converted his sentence could even allow him to go to Cancun in September to participate in demonstrations against a WTO summit.
The decision of the public prosecutor's office to appeal or not has been made public today: they "renounced to appeal".
The French Green Party had previously asked Justice Minister Perben to "give instructions to the public prosecutor's office not to appeal."
Bove had already spent six weeks in prison last year for vandalizing a McDonald's.
Look, this Bove guy... now how do you get that dang thing over the "e"? You know, this thing "'". Yeah, the apostrophe. Well there certainly isn't one on my key board. Not over the "e" at any rate. Seriously, sometimes you Europeans just trash the intrinsic beauty of the Roman alphabet. Putting slashes through the "L"s and hats on vowels and such. What's with the two dot thing? There are no two dots on any letter on Trajan's column. I checked. If you want to use the Roman alphabet... use the Roman alphabet. You want to make up your own, then make up your own dang alphabet.
Anyway, this Bové guy. I think he's been protesting an awfull lot lately... apart from the one month prison term. If you add up the total hours protesting, it's clear he has been violating the 35 hour work week. Well, I mean that would be exploiting the workers! Some of these protestors aren't paid you know. They don't even get travel vouchers to attend the rallies. Oh sure, if your on the bleeding executive committe they will give a nice banner, but what about the regular working class protestor aye? You have to supply your own sign and equipment. How are you going to support a family of four on that aye? You can't.
And then when the measure passes and becomes legislation... what happens to the regular citizen protestor aye? Sacked, that's what. No lump sum pension, no merci, not even so much as a come-up-pence. It's been so long that anyone has recieved a come-up-pence around here, we don't know what it means anymore. I certainly don't. It's a fact! If you were to ask anyone you see at a rally in Nice what a come-up-pence is... they couldn't tell you. And why? Greed! This Bové hoards them all. He has vast tracts of come-up-pences hidden away in his farm. Typical exploitation of the working class protestor if you ask me. The elites are always doing this to us.
What I've always wondered as I've read about this farmer/activist is when does he farm? He seems to spend most of his time protesting. How can he earn a living and support his family?
If I wanted to protest something I could squeeze in a local rally. The rest of my protesting would have to be done via fax, email, mail, etc.. I could not take time off work to attend world wide rallies.
I have a job, home, children and elderly parents to attend to. I imagine many people have similar responsibilities which is why I wonder how can so many people afford to attend so many protests.
Carine, do you really think he should be placed under surveillance?
For a minor (i said it) crime?
Imagine the cost alone, never mind the consequences for civil liberties.
Carine, do you really think he should be placed under surveillance?
No. I believe he should serve his sentence. Like anyone.
A minor crime? Vandalizing is serious. You begin by vandalizing crops and McDonald's, then soon enough it's cemeteries.
What is the message here? Vandalize everything you want. You will be free anyway. No wonder desecrations of cemeteries multiply.
So you don't think parole is a good idea in the penal system?
Sorry, but Vandalism is not a serious crime, on the scale of things.
Bad yes.
Luther,
We're not talking about parole. We're talking about José Bové.
[i]Les névroses obsessionnelles, forme de névrose qui se définit par le caractère forcé (compulsionnel) de sentiments, d’idées ou de conduites qui s’imposent au sujet et l’entraînent dans une lutte constante, sans qu’il cesse de considérer ce parasitisme comme dérisoire.
Pour Freud, la névrose obsessionnelle, que celui-ci identifie en 1894, correspond à une structure psychique définie par une régression pulsionnelle au stade sadique-anal, des défenses excessives du moi contre les pulsions instinctives et par un surmoi rigide.
La névrose obsessionnelle est dominée par une pensée ruminante intruse (pensée compulsionnelle) marquée par l’ambivalence, le désir de la perfection, la culpabilité et la recherche de moralité. Elle est la source de doutes, de scrupules ou de vérifications multiples. Un trait important de cette pensée est son caractère magique : il établit des relations magiques avec le monde, celui-ci devenant consciemment ou inconsciemment hostile à son égard. Afin de lutter contre cette hostilité, le patient développe des rites conjuratoires, comme placer un objet à une place définie ou répéter constamment une séquence de gestes, pour éviter la survenue d’événements douloureux.
La personnalité obsessionnelle est marquée par une tendance aux scrupules, à l’aboulie, au doute, à des crises de conscience morale, à la timidité et à l’inhibition dans les contacts sociaux, à l’auto-analyse, à des troubles sexuels (impuissance, frigidité) et à des troubles moteurs (bégaiement, tics).
Sous l’influence des thérapeutes comportementalistes, l’Association de psychiatrie américaine, élaborant la classification DSM IV, ne retient pas le concept de névrose obsessionnelle. La symptomatologie obsessionnelle est individualisée en troubles obsessivo-compulsifs (TOC), TOC de la pensée, TOC comportemental, etc.
Aujourd’hui, les spécialistes parlent de TOC en cas de symptômes obsessionnels et de névrose obsessionnelle pour évoquer la structure psychique du malade.
Le traitement de la névrose obsessionnelle est à la fois médicamenteux (tricycliques) et psychothérapique par les thérapies comportementales, la psychothérapie ou la psychanalyse en fonction du choix du thérapeute et du patient. Le traitement du symptôme (TOC) est l’objet de la thérapie comportementale, tandis que celui de la structure sera le fait d’une psychothérapie ou une psychanalyse.[/i]
Une bonne analyse, deux suppo. et - hop! - au lit : ta vie en sera changée [b]Carine[/b]! Si! Si!
Ne me remercie pas : quand je peux rendre service...
Seems a bit out topic but I just eared this story and need your opinion
Back from Iraq, the brave GI Jean-Claude Dupont enjoy his return in NY where he lives with his family since some years.As reward for his bravery, he gets granted to the American nationality for him, his wife and son.
The ceremony occures on Friday for both adults and is scheduled for Saturday for the kid.
Friday evening, JC Dupont explains :
-We are living a great moment, my son, now, your mother and me ARE AMERICAN !! and...
The boy interrupts:
-Hummh... funny, then I am the only stranger in this house ?
The father appeasing:
-No nononono !!! Just wait tomorrow, we go to the office, you will have to read some promise and YOU TOO WILL BE AMERICAN ! Isn't it great ?
The boy does not seems that enthousiast:
-Boaf... What for ? Should we have a name like Callhagan or Mac something.. why not ? but an American called Dupont... sounds ridiculous HAHAHA!! with Martin, may be ? Anyway I prefere to stay French for now.
As night brings advice, the parents let the negociation here for this evening.
Saturday morning, the negociation restarts and the boy seems to slow down his opposition. The father too quickly hit his hand and tell
-OK ! then get ready with your ceremony suit! The appointment is at 14... I mean 2 PM !
Total disaster ! 2 PM NY time means 20 h in Paris when begin the socc.. foutbol match between PSG and OM !!! (Paris - Marseille) Forget the American nationality then! No way to miss the satelite retransmission of such a big event for futiles protocol matters ! Now the opposition rift cannot be solved...
Where persuasion failed, authority has to prevail and the parents run now after their boy who locks himself in the bathroom (like Uday and Qussay...) with his portable TV to watch ZE MATCH.
The father shouts, threats, kick the door.. No avail. The mother explains, crys, begs... No way and the clock is going on...
Defeated, the exhausted father tells his wife:
- I cannot beeleeve zat !! Wee just are Americans since ONE SINGLE DAY and already wee have a bloody frog stabbing us in the back !!!
Here, Ladies and Gentlemen, I need your help: I cannot sort out if this story is anti-American or anti-French.. Can anyone tell me ?
With the kind regards from
Pierre.
ctw Spawn, could you get my answer about Kyoto before the thread disappeared ?
UnVilainFrançais,
First, this is an English-speaking site, so speak English.
Secondly, I am not your friend, I am not a member of your family, so don't use the tu form with me in French. But this would require of you politeness, a quality you evidently lack.
Last but not least, your cut-and-paste lesson using Freud's theories and his compulsive need to give every single situation an anal or phallic reason was, I think, a very good example to personify who you certainly are (though your couple of comments had already given me a good idea).
You're not making France or the French any favor, you know. Your attitude is typical of what makes me keep on posting on this site. So go on.
As usual, when you think the french can slither no lower they break out the shovel. With a "hero" like this bovine character no wonder the Lunatic Fringe (majority) of French desecrate the graves of real heros.
Riddle me this. Americans are so fat that Bovine would obstruct the mechanism that bestowed our girth. Keeping it from being used in African countries where people are starving? This makes sense how?
Chris the answer is simple. Bovine doesn't farm. He lives off the generous subsidies of the socialist state. If you and I, and all America keep to our unofficial boycott of all things Frog soon the socialist state won't be able to pay the generous subsity to this self righteous goof off (one can only hope). 80% tourist drop means there is still 20% to go. We can do better America.
With a "hero" like this bovine character no wonder the Lunatic Fringe (majority) of French desecrate the graves of real heros....Bovine doesn't farm. He lives off the generous subsidies of the socialist state.
(Thanks for this real gem ;-))))
Ah J Mayeau, unpossible to hide you anything... Almost all French spend their lives desecrating graves...
Off course, as you (and all well informed people) know, we never work, why ? obvious, we all live frome "the generous subsidies of the socialist state" (sans dec'! si ça pouvait être vrai...). then we have to fill in the time left by some occupation and spend our time, breaking down some tombstone. But these last week we had really too much additional work : destroying trangenics, writing AAAWfull things about America, fighting (and lighting) some fires.. And all this 35 hours a week DURING HOLYDAYS !!! pfft.. exhausting! For that we had to free José Bové, He will start back on terrorist attacks again transgenic vegetals and we can keep our energy for the cimetaries..
The word is so simple.
Si c'est pas vrai, j'suis un menteur.
".......-I cannot beeleeve zat!! Wee just are Americans since ONE SINGLE DAY and already wee have a bloody frog stabbing us in the back!!"
[crickets chirping] [crickets chirping]
Uh, maybe it was in the translation. I'm sure it was a scream back in Sarcelles. Thanks anyway. Do try again.
"80% tourist drop means there is still 20% to go."
Most tourists who come to visit France are European. The health of the fifth economy in the world doesn't depend of few american tourists more ,or less.
Cqrine wrote:
"No. I believe he should serve his sentence. Like anyone.
A minor crime? Vandalizing is serious. You begin by vandalizing crops and McDonald's, then soon enough it's cemeteries.
What is the message here? Vandalize everything you want. You will be free anyway. No wonder desecrations of cemeteries multiply.
There are different knid of vandalism.
The one observered in cemetaries is terrible, and undefendable.
The one "vandalism" made by Bové is not the same kind of vandalism. It's difficult to punish the two kind of act the same way.
He wants to set a debate on the use or not of MGO in everyday's food. He is upset that Big international firms (mostly american) lobby in order to impose such kind of "food" , for some reasons (Farmer will be dependant, long term effect of this food's consumtion not studied..).
I don't know if he is right, but he is at least right to force a debate on this subject.
Bové is a difficult case. He is a militant that perform illegal actions conciously, to attract attention on him, and thu subject he defends. More he is punished, more the number of his supporters grows.
Bove trying to force a debate? I think he has been pretty clear it's "NO!" Not much room for debate there.
Of course Charles, but Bové is openly anti-American.
He fights the "good fight": junk food. So he vandalizes McDonalds and GM crops. He knows how to blame the US for everything.
Consequently, vandalizing is not that big a deal, when it's Bové's work.
Bové has become a model of rebellion against the unjust powers of the world. Hundreds of people petitioned to get him out of prison. So who cares if he fosters anarchy? Who cares if he inspires people to go out and break everything they estimate dangerous: a crop, an American fast-food restaurant, a military cemetery, a 9/11 commemorative plaque, a synagogue...
After all, Bové even went so far to go meet Arafat and give him his full support when Arafat was confined in Ramallah.
He made himself the symbol of the resistance of the oppressed against the oppressor.
The decision of the public prosecutor's office to renounce to appeal confirms it stands by him and the justice is not the same for everyone.
I doubt that I will get the same kind of treatment from the president and from the public prosecutor's office if tomorrow I go out breaking everything in Fauchon because they sell foie gras and I estimate it is not good for our health since, basically, it is the liver of a sick goose that has been force-fed to produce the product.
Can you see why he holds a special place in the heart of the likes of Marc Levis?
For Marc Levis, Bové is at least right to force a debate on this subject. At the same time, we are racist.
No debate for us. Freedom to vandalize for Bové.
Most tourists who come to visit France are European.
True. You forget, however, that Americans are bigger spenders and, even with fewer numbers, spend more in total.
The health of the fifth economy in the world doesn't depend of few american tourists more ,or less.
True, but then in this case we're not actually talking about a "few" American tourists.
Bové is a difficult case. He is a militant that perform illegal actions conciously, to attract attention on him, and thu subject he defends. More he is punished, more the number of his supporters grows.
I'm thinking it's more a case where the more he gets away with the more popular he gets. So long as he is allowed to thumb his nose at the law with impunity, and either gets away with his crimes or gets lightly punished his following will grow because situations like that always encourage such behavior.
Kal
Consequently, vandalizing is not that big a deal, when it's Bové's work.
I have a question. A French officer was caught giving enemy officers tactical information in Balkans. This was several years ago and he was convicted of treason (in a French court) and sentenced to two years in prison. Does anyone know what became of him?
Kal
Can you see why he holds a special place in the heart of the likes of Marc Levis?
For Marc Levis, Bové is at least right to force a debate on this subject.
Yes , he is right for me on the GMO subject.
But his meeting with Arafat is an exageration.
Bové , as you say, wants to become the symbol of the resistance of the poors and oppressed against the oppressor, which are for him "trusts", mostly americans.
I thinks it is too ambitious role, and he is reproached this.
As far as he fight against dangerous firms like Monsanto, I support him.
"True. You forget, however, that Americans are bigger spenders and, even with fewer numbers, spend more in total."
American spend more that average this is clear.
But Here are some numbers:
Foregeign visitors in France (2002)(source : Minitry of Tourism):
UK, Ireland : 15 000 000
Germany :15 000 000
Netherlands: 12 000 000 (some people come twice..)
Belgium : 8 000 000
Swiss : 3 000 000
Spain 3 000 000
USA: 3 000 000
Japon : 720 000
Others : 9 000 000
The US ranks .. 8 in the number of visitors.
In total , you can be sure that they don't have so big influence on the total income cash.
Germans spend a lot also....
Soory to dissapoint you but boycotting the visit of France , will only distub few tour operators and hotel owners, but not hurt that much our economy....
O.J. Simpson is free and he is a murderer.
Would have the verdict been the same if he was not rich ??
Bové hasn't killed anybody.
Have a look on your own justice before teaching lesson to others.
Soory to dissapoint you but boycotting the visit of France , will only distub few tour operators and hotel owners, but not hurt that much our economy....
The problem is not only American tourists decided not to go to France this year.
Here's an article from Le Monde for you and some excerpts:
Forest fires, the storm, casual workers' strikes, a strong euro and the French-American rift mainly explain the gloomy situation that the participants of the tourism sector, crucial to the French economy, have been drawing at the end of July.
The government is hoping for a steady growth in this sector, true locomotive of the French economy, but the 2003 season should be, at best, similar to the 2002 season.
For June and July, the season will be worse than 2002, especially regarding foreign customers.
Benelux's tourists came in large numbers, but the British number is in stagnation and the number of Germans is dropping. Not to mention the North-American and Asian clientele, whose drop is going on.
An abscence all the more worrying since in 2002 American tourists spent about €5 bn, that is 15.2% of total receipts.
In 2001, tourist consumption in France amounted to €101 bn, that is 6.7% of the GDP. Even if the comercial balance produced €10 bn in the car industry and €1.2 bn in agriculture, tourism generated a surplus of €15.1 bn.
If we analyse the figures of the French Ministry of Tourism concerning spendings of foreigners in France (which is more important for the economy than the number of visitors), here's what we have for 2001 biggest spenders:
EUROPE €22.3 bn
NORTHERN EUROPE €5.8 bn
UK €4.8 bn
WESTERN EUROPE €12 bn
GERMANY €3.8 bn
NETHERLANDS €1.7 bn
SWITZERLAND €3.2 bn
BELGIUM + LUXEMBURG €2.9 bn
SOUTHERN EUROPE €4 bn
SPAIN €1.2 bn
ITALY €2.4 bn
AMERICA €6.5 bn
NORTHERN AMERICA €6 bn
USA €5.7 bn
ASIA, OCEANIA, MIDDLE-EAST €2.1 bn
JAPAN €900 million
AFRICA €1.9 bn
WORLD €33.6 bn
Keep on denying, if it makes you feel better.
Gautier,
I am French, so this is the justice of my country I'm talking about.
For Marc Levis, Bové is at least right to force a debate on this subject.
Yes , he is right for me on the GMO subject.
The problem with this guy is that immediately after opening debate, he closes it with his own conclusion and try to do it by force. By this, I cannot support him.
However the words "terrorist" and "criminal" are way too strong for him. breaking goods and work is wrong and must be punished whatever are the motivations. But he never attacked persons directly or by consequences. This make the BIG difference between his actions and terrorism.
Now, how did it come he was freed after a tenth of his prison time?
If someone is sentenced to a pain after trial, we can expect this is deserved (although it is not always like this...). Then, off course this pain should be applied.
Here comes the weight of strength logic: If a guy can give serious evidences that he can cause more trouble from inside than from outside the prison, he gets free. As simple as this. This is "real polytik" applied to justice, not fair but logic.
Some other "celebrities" who could use efficiently this power : Maurice Papon, Augusto Pinochet ammong load of others all over the world.
Obviously, we must admit that some things are weird in French justice.
Now, I don't know personnaly examples of indulence exageration in American justice. Just the load of death penalities applied without evidence that the guy is guilty on minors preferently blacks or latinos.
Except this small details, may be American justice is perfect ?
Carine,
You're french and you run an anti-french site ? The only job you found in the USA is to teach young and old americans to hate France and the french, to boycott France ?? Great !! Do you sell a lot of anti-french stuff ?
http://www.pavefrance.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=fans&id=The_French_002
And don't tell me you do not promote hatred between our 2 countries. " F*** the french"
" First Iraq Then France" IS hatred.
"The problem is not only American tourists decided not to go to France this year."
Thank you to admit, that that American boycott won't hurt the economy so much.
As you mentioned , there are at least 10 others reasons. Generally, Tourim industry is declining this year in the world, not only in France.
I don't deny the fact that Tourism is an important economical sector in France, I just tell that the possible boycott from some americans will hurt only very lightly this sector.
Just the load of death penalities applied without evidence that the guy is guilty on minors preferently blacks or latinos.
This is a perfect example of prejudice, thanks Pierre.
Marc,
You distort my words, as always. The result is the same: American tourists are among the biggest spenders and France cannot afford to lose them.
Gautier,
I don't run this site, I just participate in it. And I live in France. Again, as far as I know, this country still is a democracy. So if I want to point out what's going wrong here, I can do it, whether you like it or not.
You tell me we promote hatred?
What about all the violent acts targeting Americans that happened before the creation of this site? What about putting a bin laden or saddam hussein logo on your cell phone? What about hearing some of your French politicians claiming the US deserved 9/11? Etc. Etc.
Put your own house in order first, please.
"What about putting a bin laden or saddam hussein logo on your cell phone?"
Who does this ? Young arabs from the suburbs or
Mr Dupont ?
" What about hearing some of your French politicians claiming the US deserved 9/11? "
They were punished . Communists got 5% at the last election.
Carine :
First, this is an English-speaking site, so speak English.
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Je parle anglais quand cela me chante. Et non subséquemment aux injonctions de quiconque - d'autant plus lorsque ce quiconque est quelqu'un qui passe l'essentiel de son temps à vomir sur ma patrie.
Secondly, I am not your friend, I am not a member of your family, so don't use the tu form with me in French. But this would require of you politeness, a quality you evidently lack.
--->
Ne nous trompons pas. Il ne s'agissait pas là d'un tutoiement trahissant une quelconque sympathie à ton égard, mais bien d'un tutoiement de distance et de mépris.
Last but not least, your cut-and-paste lesson using Freud's theories and his compulsive need to give every single situation an anal or phallic reason was, I think, a very good example to personify who you certainly are (though your couple of comments had already given me a good idea).
--->
Je ne me rappelle pas qu'il y soit fait mention du phallus : lapsus? :D
You're not making France or the French any favor, you know. Your attitude is typical of what makes me keep on posting on this site. So go on.
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Oh, mais, fais-toi donc plaisir! Si tu n'as rien d'autre dans ta misérable existence qui puisse te combler plus (Cf. "phallus" infra) que de répendre ton verbiage xénophobe sur ce site, je peux comprendre.
Tu sais, le pet de l'asticot n'est pas réputé pour ses qualités supersoniques. La France peut donc dormir sur ses deux oreilles. :D
Ah oui, BTW and FYI, les traîtres sont, en temps de guerre, passés par les armes. Prie donc pour que tonton Jacques ne se mette pas à verser dans le bellicisme nauséeux de tes petites copines...
Sombre imbécile.
Cordialement,
Un vilain Français.
Carine,
All the violents acts targeting Americans ? Give me some examples please. I can give you examples of french people agressed or French stores vandalized in the US.
Putting a bin laden or saddam hussein logo on my cell phone? You are just paranoid, I don’t know ANY french doing that.
French politicians claiming the US deserved 9/11? Haven’t you read the leftist newspaper Le Monde editorial on 9/12 “We are all American” haven’t you noticed the overwhelming wave of sympathy in France toward the US after the event ? Of course that sympathy is now much lower.
---"I can give you examples of french people agressed or French stores vandalized in the US."---
This isn't going to be like the restaurants dumping all the French wine stuff, is it? I'm still having trouble understanding why French immigrants who run French restaurants would dump French wines down the drains just so that the Americans wouldn't think they were French. But I'm trying. I'm trying really really hard.
Three dry cleaning establishments where vandalized and burned in California in march 2003, simply because the cleaners were all named "French Laundry.” Sure looks like a hate crime to me.
Indeed Gautier,
This pic
http://www.pavefrance.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=fans&id=The_French_002
is a shame.
Should this asshole simply wear himself this T-shi(r)t, it would have simply be ridiculous like those people pouring wine in the drain.
By the fact he uses his daughter to show and promote his own hate, he becomes simply disgusting.
As I wrote in the comments I dont care about the insult, the main fault he does is driving his daughter's mind for his own "ideas". Did he think about the impact on her daughter? She will grow having in mind that hatred against people just for leaving in the "wrong country" is normal. Then, why not against people having the "wrong color" or whatever? May be it is too strong to call that dark dumb a nazi but he drives his kid(s) on the straight way going at it.
On the more optimist possibility : "Il est con à bouffer de la merde"
Gautier, dry cleaners... that's a good one! Sometimes the soap jokes get a bit stale.
Pierre, I guess you have never seen LGF.
AWWWW, it sounds like we hurt the feelings of the little euroweenie's. This might be a little off topic but I recently got an e-mail from a friend who is in Iraq w/the Marine expeditionary force. He is a Sgt in the USMC & he was a little miffed at the goings on here & in Europe. I'll attach it here but be warned, it is long, and I couldn't have said it better myself.:
TRAITORS
Grab yourself a cup of coffee, a beer, or whatever floats your boat. I, for one, am pining for a Jim Beam and some crushed ice, but unfortunately that isn’t going to happen anytime soon. Take a quick restroom break. This is going to take a while. Be forewarned, it’s a long read, but it isn’t a Bill Whittle piece. Expect digressions, unfinished thoughts, and polysyllabic profanities aplenty. It’s a true challenge for me to begin writing without rambling, blundering around until I find a starting point; keeping myself from constantly digressing is a far tougher chore.
I’ll make the obvious play and tell you it’s hot. Extremely hot. Spelled S-U-R-F-A-C-E O-F T-H-E M-O-T-H-E-R-F-U-C-K-I-N-G S-U-N H-O-T. There was a recent Fox News headline about a deadly heat wave in Arizona, windshields cracking and falling out, dogs burning the pads of their feet, that sort of shit. At only 117 degrees. Average daily temp here is reported as 117, but that doesn’t take into account actually being in the sun. Hold a thermometer in your hand out in the open for two minutes and watch how quickly the mercury soars toward 130. We’ve spent forty years fighting wars in fetid jungles and searing deserts. Why can’t we invade a nice, cool, temperate country for once? France, anyone?
Live in a GP tent, minus the luxury of a consistently functional air conditioner, it pushes 140. Human shields should burst into flames at 140, (one can always hope). Come to think of it, that’s a worthy subject for an 8th-grade science project. Anyone care to let their kids give it a shot? I’m sure I can find and chloroform some patchouli-scented lab rats for them to play with. Unfortunately, those tin-pot camel-fucking dictator apologists mysteriously reappeared at home before the shooting started. Worse, I’ve heard that some of those clowns want to return to “watchdog” our troops, who, media smearing campaign aside, are doing a damned fine job in the face of constant supply shortages, literal snail mail, constantly changing homecoming schedules, and asinine second-guessing by armchair generals, smirking reporters, and Democratic presidential hopefuls seeking a coherent, viable ’04 campaign issue.
Give us more, O Caesar! »
Fuck the human shields and the camels they ride in on; Their mates with the ISM as well; It takes a rare, blinkered specimen of humanity to camp out, burn flags, and sing along with Palestinian murderers in Gaza. “Kumbaya, My Lord, Rout the Imperialist Yankee Pigdogs….Loot Their Women and Rape Their Camels…” etc. I’m surprised the ISM hasn’t dedicated a shrine yet to their patron saint, Rachel Corrie, Our Lady of Splattered Roadkill and Pancaked Peaceniks.
We soldiers and Marines haven’t busted our asses for the last, gee, nearly two years to be second-guessed by some trust-funded, Birkenstock-shod, brain-bereft academic fuckheads who haven’t the foggiest idea of the definition of loyalty, much less hard work or personal hygiene. The Fascist-enablers are blissfully ignorant of who this country’s “best and brightest” really are, and scoff at the mere thought that the “baby-killers”, the “jackbooted thugs”, the “fascists” in torn, dirty desert utilities busting their asses to put Iraq back together, are the ones carrying the torch for our generation.
The peaceniks are probably beside themselves, wetting their pants, absolutely pissed off that the soldiers and Marines they despise out here are succeeding and, Oh The Horror, enjoying the respect and admiration of a grateful nation. We are up against a culture that has been bred and raised (thank you, public schools) to loathe not only our country and its fighting men, but also the straightforward, clear-cut, unambiguous ideals they stand for. You know, the whole freedom and free enterprise bit that throws today’s modern, fashionable young socialists into bouts of nervous twitching and incoherent screeching on Indymedia.
It has been argued by some writers that there is an ever-widening gulf between the military and civilians. Those who posit this, and quote it as fact, must either a) live on another fucking planet, or b) live in a major coastal city (which amounts to the same anyway) where attitudes are largely set against us in the first place. In Flyover Country, I have hardly ever felt out of place or distant from the local populace. I happen to believe that the widening gulf that DOES exist is that between the teeming population centers and the rest of the country. Remember seeing the election map from 2000? The coasts out of touch with the heartland?
Vietnam is behind us; we have risen from the shallow grave the radical Left dumped us in thirty years ago to become the most professional, highly trained, and dedicated warriors ever to raise our banners on foreign soil. We have put up with ton upon metric ton of utter bullshit, and will tolerate more, until our job is done. No “Quagmire”-parroting reporter, no arrogant Berkeley-(in)bred activist, no Ba’athist holdout can stop us.
Much has been made of several 3rd ID soldiers on record complaining about the hardships here. Reporters have failed to grasp that men in uniform ALWAYS complain. Shitty food, no beer, families 7000 miles away, no air conditioners, that sort of thing. You want sour grapes, we have vats full of them. We bitch a lot, but we clench our jaws and do the damn job; it isn’t a warning sign that our morale is tanking and that the sky is falling over the “quagmire” we’ve “blundered” into. We don’t need, much less want, your feigned sympathy, you camera-toting, blow-dried, manicured pricks. Don’t you have car chases and Qwik-E-Mart holdups to cover?
Sympathy with our plight would be welcome if it didn’t reek of a political agenda. I’ve seen solicitude for our plight and us when, and only when, the media and the Donks think they have our Commander-in-Chief by the balls. We “bog down” to rest and refuel within sight of Baghdad; the howling Moonbats squeal in delight at a perceived golden opportunity to bend us over the barrel. A week later, Saddam’s most prominent statue is torn down and dragged through the streets, at which point they mumble to themselves and stare at their shoes. A vastly hyperbolized museum looting story helps them rodeo-clown attention away from our glory-fest.
Bush throws down a gauntlet by landing, at unbelievable peril, on the deck of one of his Navy’s carriers; they piss and moan and lament his recklessness. Now, every time a soldier is killed by a sniper’s bullet, an RPG from a rooftop, or a roadside bomb, the press giddily reports, “Today the **th soldier to be killed since President Bush declared an end to hostilities on May 1st (emphasis mine) died in a (shooting) (bombing) (ambush). Headlines are as canned as New York Times obituaries. Equally appalling, with that preface to casualty reports, the media are shamelessly grinding twisted political axes with the bones of our brothers. Reporters wonder why we stinky-palm them.
Now, men are dying to hold this country together, in small numbers yet each irreplaceable beyond all cost, and the dipshits with the cameras and the mikes roll out the “quagmire” playbook again. Hell, now that we’ve offed Uday and Qusay, all you hear is, “Why didn’t you arrest them?” How utterly pathetic. Particularly in the case of Charles Rangel (D-Bellevue). That excuse for a legislator has the gall to propose a reinstitution of the draft, based solely on racial motives tainted by false data, and then months later to call the demise of U. and Q. an “assassination”. Put him in the recall bin with Gov. Whatshisface, that squirrelly sonofabitch on the Left Coast with the financial management problems. You know a politician is worthless when Larry Flynt considers running for his soon-to-be vacated office.
The Armed Forces been tasked with a tall order, keeping this country from flying apart at the seams; we receive extremely short shrift for doing so. The press plasters its front pages with stories of tanking morale; discontent in the ranks; an untenable peace; a Vietcong-esque Guerrilla war in the making. Journalists circle about like buzzards, waiting gleefully in the wings to sign our toe tags, live and in color. They don’t know us, nor do they understand the situation, well enough to see the reality that lies beyond their lower colons. They have failed miserably to grasp that their irresponsible coverage is only encouraging further attacks, or to put it bluntly, (as I prefer):
THEY ARE PROVIDING AID AND COMFORT TO OUR ENEMIES. I need to hit the books and look it up, but I am pretty damned sure that that makes them TRAITORS. By unleashing a tidal wave of coverage on each and every attack, they encourage our enemies to hit again and again, confident in their own minds that the constant screeching and bleating in the press will unnerve and worry our families to no end, and little by little dent our national resolve to keep up the fight. At which point they hope internal pressures will cause us to pull our presence out and let a reconstituted Ba’ath flood back into the vacuum, much like the endgame in Vietnam.
Most of us, those blessed enough to live in Flyover Country, know this to be total bullshit. We finish what we start, and we’re glad to do it, politicians and protesters or no. Don’t even try to pass that thought in the Gore States. You’ll be bound, gagged, and institutionalized for saying that the quagmire isn’t before your eyes, as palpable as your morning coffee or the computer monitor you stare into now. For sheer believability, it’s up there with Barney, the Toothfairy, and Santa Claus. Of course, those blue patches on the map are where they hold the keys to all the doors behind which information is vetted, edited, embellished, fabricated, and reprocessed, much like an Oscar Meyer frank, into the short, meaningless sound bites that end up on the six o’clock news.
Speaking of gathering and processing information, I will say, up front, that I don’t believe embedded reporters were a bright idea. Geraldo Rivera’s acts of idiocy provided a shining example of irresponsible battlefield reporting, but thankfully instances like that weren’t common. It was awfully polite and patient of us to be open and up front with reporters, but it went too far and, besides, they didn’t have a fucking constitutional right to be there, de-constructing our every move and piss-break along the way. The arrangement only facilitated their round-the-clock coverage and mad dash for ratings. It led, from what I saw, to many, many stories that had to be retracted or seriously amended when the press took the first slivers of incomplete information and ran with them, only to stand, embarrassed, in front of the cameras hours later, as they tried to change their stories while the big picture became clearer. Some reporters (Arnett and Fisk come to mind with little effort) never bothered with accuracy or truth, and became the Iraqi Information Ministry’s propaganda whores. Those weren’t sweat stains on Arnett’s shirt in front of the cameras. It wasn’t milk, either.
Many times, so it seemed, the “Breaking News” and “News Alerts” lines that popped up with annoying frequency were little more than wild-assed rumors and incomplete information. If the news agencies had fielded fewer reporters, and made them stay in the Rear with the Gear, they could have had all the time in the world to check their facts and get their shit together before running stories that would have necessitated sheepish retractions hours later. Sorry, folks, that’s my cynical 2 cents, take it any way you like.
The newsies are doing such a wonderful job of making us responsible for problems we did not create, and somehow they expect us to fix all the damned boo-boos. Deficiencies in utility services, communications, unemployment, all that shit that you hear the whiners bleating about when they aren’t slamming the administration. Look, you socialist nanny state assholes, we aren’t social workers. Some of the locals are complaining, but you don’t see many of the whiners actually working to put their own country back in order.
There are many Iraqis who are doing their best to pick up the pieces and make their land a better place, and they are doing the best job they can with what little is left after more than two decades of Ba’ath Party squandering. They aren’t waiting for State handouts, they’re seizing the initiative and accomplishing far more than many people here have in well over 20 years. I’m talking about policemen, former soldiers, doctors, and shopkeepers; the very Bourgeoisie the radical left despises, the hardworking, enterprising men and women who have been the very foundation and lifeblood of prosperous democracies throughout history. They’re all over the place here, and they will ultimately be this land’s political and economic salvation.
Don’t give me any of that whiny bullshit about how we should clean up the mess, this place was a shambles when we got here. Much of this country’s infrastructure slipped through the cracks while Saddam and his late, unlamented offspring built lavish palaces and spent money earmarked for humanitarian aid on every luxury they could lay their blood-stained hands on.
Time ran an article about deplorable conditions at Baghdad’s international airport, stories of looting and general wanton destruction of the airport. Much of the equipment at Baghdad International Airport is so old and dilapidated I’d be surprised if any of it has actually worked anytime in the past decade. Yeah, we pot-holed the runways with bombs aplenty, and a bunch of soldiers picked the duty-free store clean, (which in my opinion the boys fucking well earned) but the field has been repaired and it’s now in better shape than it has been in many years.
Utilities? Go flying out here at night, you see mud hut villages that are as well-lit as any small town back home. I shit you not. If these dilapidated hamlets and villes have power, then the major cities can’t be in such poor shape.
Many items the media reports as potential trouble must be viewed in the context of Iraq’s middle eastern neighbors. There are protests against the American occupiers. Big Fucking Deal. Only in Iraq are people assembling and protesting without being summarily dispersed, beaten, arrested, and/or imprisoned (See Iran). Also seen only in Iraq are hundreds of independent newspapers being printed and circulated absent the watchful, censoring eye of the state. Pro- or anti-coalition, they come off the presses and onto the streets without a Ba’athist Bureaucrat vetting them and shooting the dissenters. Iraq now has a fledgling government of its own, supervised of course, for the moment, but lacking crooked, Wahabbi-bribing royals and power-wielding theocrats.
Sure, if you are in this country and physically attack soldiers and Marines, they will certainly detain you, and if you’re firing on them they will definitely cap you. That’s called self-defense, and it makes perfect sense if you reside anywhere outside the loony havens on our East and West Coasts. But of course, many of those assholes would rather see us die by the thousands than succeed at our efforts here. They can’t stand to watch the people they’ve been raised to loathe win an unprecedented victory and rightfully earn the support and respect of the nation. I love it. Soldiers and Marines are seen as positive role models and it makes the loony left shit bricks.
This country was raped and pillaged for 2 ½ decades by Saddam, his now-defunct sons, and the Ba’ath Party. The bastards built themselves magnificent palaces, bought the priciest cars, the very best in food and wine, and spent less than the bare minimum on sustaining their people, even as sanctions tightened the country’s belt. Where was the indignation at the Iraqis’ plight then? Wait a minute. The cameras were fixed on wall-to-wall “No Blood for OOIIIIILLLLLLL” bullshit and airhead, mealy-mouthed celebrities running their mouths on subjects well beyond their collective depth (i.e. a 7-Eleven parking lot puddle).
There was also the daily Kofi and Hans Happy Fun Hour at the UN, that theatre of the absurd where wrong magically becomes right and the most brutal dictatorships in the world are allowed to chair the Human Rights Commission. What a fucking sitcom.
The UN is also that wonderful, happy place where countries with proven inabilities to defend themselves are not only voting, veto-power members of the Security Council, they get to tie it up with all kinds of “Fuck America” backbiting. Hey Jacques, Dominique, don’t bite the hands that freed you. And don’t stand idle when your nutless citizens deface the graves of the American heroes who spilled their blood, who forfeited their families and futures, to make sure that Horst Wessel didn’t remain long as your piss-puddle country’s national anthem. I hope you also like that tricolore that flies on your masts when you’re not hoisting white flags in the faces of invaders. We put it back up for you. These days, with all your synagogue bombings and anti-Israel sentiments, you seem better suited to those swastikas we drove out of your country for you nearly sixty years ago.
Don’t bite the hands that keep you free either. We labor to make the world a safer place for our nation and its ideals, safer also for our friends abroad and for those who live under the boots of our enemies, yet the press tramples on us; they second- and third-guess our work; deem some to be heroes who do little while many who sacrifice all remain obscure and uncelebrated; lastly, they misquote, fabricate, deceive, and vilify us at will, while conveniently forgetting that we make possible their ability to shit on anyone and anything they see fit. Because of us, the press can live out their delusional fantasies of being a power unto themselves. Their “Le Etat, C’est Nous” megalomania is not amusing and I don’t believe I am alone in being utterly sick of it.
Rudyard Kipling hit it on the head:
Makin’ mock o’ uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an’ they’re starvation cheap.
Thank you all for your patience, goodwill, and prayers for our safety and health.
R.A.H.
August 3, 2003
Soory to dissapoint you but boycotting the visit of France , will only distub few tour operators and hotel owners, but not hurt that much our economy
Which, I guess, explains the big diplomatic and advertising push to get Americans to start going back to France then. You may not see it in France, but your country has been pushing hard to get Americans to go back there. Understandable if my premise is correct, but mystifying if yours is correct.
Kal
Except this small details, may be American justice is perfect ?
Americans rail constantly about the many problems with the American justice system.
Just the load of death penalities applied without evidence that the guy is guilty on minors preferently blacks or latinos.
The death penalty is not assigned without evidence, and unless you have some really hard numbers on this I'd be willing to bet you've been rolled by the anti-death penalty activists. I don't know about hispanics, but it is an unfortunate fact, not often addressed, that blacks commit more murders per capita than other races in the US. The overwhelming majority are committed on other blacks. I don't know why, I don't think anyone really knows why and the theories acted upon have proven to be invalid. Considering that it is not unexpected that they would have a high rate of capital convictions. What the anti-death penalties don't mention is that, by numbers, whites are still sentenced to death more often than blacks, but that is to be expected since there are more of them.
Kal
? I'm still having trouble understanding why French immigrants who run French restaurants would dump French wines down the drains just so that the Americans wouldn't think they were French. But I'm trying. I'm trying really really hard.
It may not be that they don't want Americans to think they are French. It may be that they are Americans. One thing that is sometimes forgotten is that 'American' doesn't denote a race (I don't mean to imply you did this, it's more for others). Being an American is an idea, an ideal, a society and a culture. Just because someone grew up in France doesn't mean they will automatically side with France once they become an American.
I know of a couple of French-Americans who are just as brassed at France as Anglo-Americans, Asian-Americans and Native-Americans.
Kal
Three dry cleaning establishments where vandalized and burned in California in march 2003, simply because the cleaners were all named "French Laundry.” Sure looks like a hate crime to me.
Could you give me a bit more information on this please. I would appreciate it if you could give me the name of the town this occured in.
I live in California and have heard nothing about this (though I was at a chem agent plant until mid-april) and both a google news search and a straight google search for [ "French Laundry" California Vandalized ] failed to turn up any relevant links. The closest thing was a poster (who claims to live in Maryland) on a Garden Web forum who claimed they read an article that said French Laundry was vandalized.
On my side I can't say for an absolute that there have been no attacks on French here in the US, I can say I've heard/read/seen none, and I haven't heard from any of my friends, who used to be French, about anything happening to them.
Kal
Kal
I read about this on a blog. cant be sure if it was this one or francestinks. The way I heard it there was one laundry that was burned down in Fresno Ca. The blog was asking for donations to rebuild the guys shop . By the way the guy wasn't French , he bought the shop and kept the name it came with. It was reported about the same time that the French Motel in California took down their flag. Sorry can't be more precise.
pierre you ignorant misguided slut
Did you start drooling? ...unpossible to hide you anything... Almost all French spend their lives desecrating graves...
Just in case you have any doubts about Frédéric Beigbeder's hatred of Americans, in his best seller...
Somebody's buying this stuff. Has to be France.(Objection says Pierre "What has this to do with French Vandalism?') -your Honor it is to illustrate the mentality of the culture that would desecrate graves of former allies.
(Objection overruled)
..., 99F, (published in 2000, since renamed '14.99 Euros', English translation titled '9.99' and soon to be a major French motion picture), the main characters beat to death a retired woman in Miami (after telling her that the only reason that the Americans helped liberate France during WWII was to export more Coca-Cola) while on location for a TV ad shoot. The killers motive is that American pension funds are one of the main drivers behind globalisation.
...This book is a best seller for no reason except that it glorifies terrorism and vandalism of Americans and America - (the drivers behind globalization). But this isn't the most odeos example of desecration of graves, the next paragraph is a literary desecration and is another best seller (has to be in France)...
The literary scene is getting ready for their post-vacation kick-off in September and writer Frédéric Beigbeder is doing to do what any self respecting member of the Paris Intelligentsia does: make money off the victims of 9-11. His new book 'Windows on the World' uses the pitch 'the only way to know what happened in the restaurant at the 107th floor of the north tower of the World Trade Center on September 11 2001, between 8:30 and 10:29 AM is to make it up.' In an excerpt from the book entitled 'Loving to death', published in a special edition of 'Technikart', the trapped office workers are portrayed as victims of the consumer society (and not as victims of those nice well behaved Muslim zealots) who decide to partake in some furious sex as their office burns and crumbles around them. Beigbeder joins the moaning drunk Renaud among French 'artists' making vile efforts at profiteering on the dead of 9-11.
...here is an exerpt from the book...
'When I think that you will never see my home entertainment system: with a screen as wide as the Lake Superior', said the brown haired guy in Kenneth Cole. - 'Too bad... but don't give up now, the firemen will be here in just a few minutes', said the blond girl wearing Ralph Lauren. - 'Saint George Soros, pray for us!', said the brown haired guy in Kenneth Cole.
- 'Oh Ted Turner, please save us!' said the blond girl wearing Ralph Lauren
: The porno segment, with all possible hardcore references, starts afterwards with the blond girl wearing Ralph Lauren telling the brown haired guy in Kenneth Cole that she has had, especially for him, a laser epilation of her pubic hairs.
... is this literary mastery destined to live and pass down through the ages? Or is it a way for a shallow people to plunk down their 10 euros and in this way symbolically topple the headstones of American, British and Canadian soldiers?
('Guilty' yells the Judge)
Pierre, I guess you have never seen LGF.
Wrong guess, Charles, I did (Are you the the same Charles than lgf webmaster ?).
But your guess is right about my reaction to this blog...;-)) To browse the threads, photos and comments, OUHLALA NON DE DIEU! a strongly hoocked heart is required ! (no heart at all may also fit). I sometimes dare to "add my 2 cents" there but, most of these people accept contradiction as easy than I would accept ice rocks in my glass of wine ;-) I got in return loads of 'FOAD, GAZE", phonetics transcriptions of Hebrew insults... as we tell in French: "la totale".
However I must balance my first reaction with a bit of second thought. They are deeply and, for most of them, sincerly involved into Israel support. They promote the "hard line", something like "win the battle first and discuss after". I don't share this view but I know that what is for me in Europe a matter of ideas, opinion, philosophy etc is in Israel simply matter of death or life. And people defending there life cannot apply the same rules than people defending opinions.
So, for the people in lgf who REALLY give from themselves to support Israel by doing something ON THE FIELD, I have full respect and admiration. For those of them who just spread hatred hidden behind their computer in a comfortable office near San Francisco, Paris or any quiet country... "FOAD"
Now if you think about all pics on lgf showing palestinian kids teached to hate and kill, It is a shame as well but, here also, I don't feel having any right to critic WHY ? simple : I can understand someone living in an hopeless land like Gaza, having his workshop or field crushed by tanks or/and relatives killed by retailiation raids getting mad enough to go at any bloody thing. I cannot understand a citizen of a safe country like USA, having access to all information, education and expression freedom who uses and drives his daughter to spread his own xenophobic hate in full batch against any nation and (I know it is not fair or righteous) I take it worth when it is MY nation. Eh...
Kind regards from
Pierre
Pierre,
http://www.pavefrance.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=fans
You realize there is one whole photograph in the entire Fan Photos album. One photograph. You're going balistic over one photograph? Whoa. Maybe it's time to switch to decafe.
Ok. Yeah, you're right Pierre. This is getting way out of control. Ok, all Americans listen up. We got to reign things in a bit. Pierre saw one photo and is freaking out over it. Obviously we've taken things too far. So from now on... don't say "cheese" when you take the picture.
It's true Pierre. In the US when ever we take a photo, the person holding the camera says, "Everyone say cheese!" And then everyone who is in the photo says "cheese" at the same time. Do you think we do this to mock the French?
Oh, and I'm not affiliated with LGF.
I read about this on a blog. cant be sure if it was this one or francestinks. The way I heard it there was one laundry that was burned down in Fresno Ca. The blog was asking for donations to rebuild the guys shop .
I'm thinking it was a scam. French Laundry is a restraunt. I don't know if there is one in Fresno. Fresno isn't rural and hick, but it's not exactly San Francisco. Then again, there was a very nice little French Restraunt in Rosamond, and that's in the Mojave desert, so....
Sorry can't be more precise.
It's okay. As I mentioned earlier, I was working overseas until mid-April, and though we got Los Angeles local news, I didn't spend much of my free time watching the news.
Kal
So what if Pierre goes into a state of complete lunacy! I don't care. I have to watch some short guy with a dish rag on his greasy head burn Old Glory on the news all the time...its time PIERRE and his scum bag co-horts get pay back! Hey if you like burning Old Glory then you better be prepared for retaliation!
Aaaah! Cozmogirl.... So long time.
So yesterday I was supposed to spend my time breaking tombstones. Today I have to get disgised as Arafat and burn Old Glory ?... (what the hell can this mean???).
btw, getting back to serious matter, I still wait from you the recipe for the "Cosmopolitan Marini"...
Pierre,
I don't think you understand the word loathe very well, why would I, who LOATHE you give a recipe to you? Find one on the web.
Or as a Frog are you so lazy that you cannot even do that for yourself unless its Government subsidized.
Get a life slob boy
pierre wtf are you talking about Palestinians have only their own people and leaders to blaim if their shops get run over - and you look at those cute precious little future terrorists and point out the one who is hungry? hell point out the one who is barefoot? show me one without designer clothes? fact is the palestinians live in the greatest society the Middle East has to offer. If they have any information blackout it's in their synapses not the Television, Radio, Internet access, Newspapers, because they live in Israel. I dare say Palestinians get something closer to the truth from their media then your Frenchmen do with Le Monde .
Hi JM,
Palestinians have only their own people and leaders to blaim
Damned true about the leaders. Arafat missed all oportunity to build something from 1998 to 2000 before Ehud Barak resigned. After that the hope-windows got closed.
About the people, I cannot agree. if your workshop or orchard is crushed :
1- You seek for revenge against who did it
2- You don't have work and then no income but you get plenty of time
At this moment, if you get the offer to join terrorism against who broked your work tool in change of serious advantages for your family what will you choos ?
OK quite often the workshop where involved in weapon production etc. But the olive-trees ?
hell point out the one who is barefoot? show me one without designer clothes? fact is the palestinians live in the greatest society the Middle East has to offer.
Damned true also. But this is relevant only if you are full right citizen. If you are a "second class" habitant, if your way to work, relatives etc. is always closed by military forces, day after day you ressentment to this great society grows until you decide to cross the step.
If they have any information blackout it's in their synapses not the Television, Radio, Internet access, Newspapers, because they live in Israel
Because they live in Israel... This is exactly the problem ! They feel living in Palestine and wish to to be full right Palestinian. They may be wrong but if the only answer they get is "You should rather be happy to be a seond class israelian" or "Palestine ?? it does not exist, go to Jordania then", the result is what is occuring there for now.
I dare say Palestinians get something closer to the truth from their media then your Frenchmen do with Le Monde
Damned true again! What they have in front of them when they open there door, or when a guy in military suit do it for them with his gun or just a tank crushing the full wall, they are billions times more closer to reality than both of us with our Le Monde or your Fuck-News.
As I told, I don't feel any right to make jugement over Israel or even Sharon's choices as they act to PROTECT THEIR LIVES and got some experience from history.
But, for almost the same reason, I cannot either make jugement over Palestinians.
A+
Dear Carine,
coming back to the topic. Bové had the same settlement that any other criminals might have recieved and will probably recieved when they are sentenced to less than an year.
The judge took its stance on it. You might no like it, but eh, tough luck, its the law.Don't like the law, demonstrate, elect enough members of the Assemblée Nationale to change the law et voilà.
So yes, I can't stand the guy too, but if you wish for an exception for him, then you ask for something outside the boundaries of the law.
Mathias,
The problem is Bové wouldn't have benefited the conversion of his sentence if Chirac hadn't pardoned him partly. He was sentenced to more than a year - 14 months exactly - and shouldn't have been freed in the first place. So Chirac's hypocritical "we can't make an exception for him" actually got him freed.
In addition, I disagree with you that anyone would have been treated this way. Why has the public prosecutor's office renounced to appeal? What does that mean? Renounced? Have the pressions from the green and communist parties had results?
I highly doubt the public prosecutor's office would have renounced to appeal to just any law breaker or vandal.
So, I'm afraid there was actually an exception for him.
Dear Carine,
you doubt but have no proof of it, unless you can collect evidence of all the decision of the prosecutor and bring out of it some statistics.
Oh and the prosecutor does not HAVE to appeal against the decisions of another judge in every case.
Eventually, it all comes down to wild guesses and opinions, not facts and proofs ( and I really doubt that any kind of pression from the green and communist parties could have any significance over a judge whatsoever ... except maybe for the
fact that our judicial system is still plagued by two many judges hanging desperately on the dangerous philosophy born from Mai 68 )
Mathias,
It is still a fact that the 4 & 1/2 month pardon from Chirac allowed the convertion of the sentence. Chirac claimed in his July 14 TV ITV that he didn't want to give a full pardon because Bové had to serve his sentence like any other law breaker. YET it was impossible for him NOT to know that the 4 & 1/2 month pardon would allow Bové's liberation.
Again, that was very hypocritical of Chirac.
What is the result concretely? Bové is going to "serve his sentence" by helping organizing an anti-globalization forum tomorrow and he proudly stated tonigth on TV that if he wasn't allowed to go to Cancun (wanna bet he will be allowed to go?) he will be demonstrating in the streets here to show the world the WTO will not win. Does that imply more violence? Who cares? Not the French judicial system apparently. He will be "serving his sentence" from home, right?
Unrepentant and with his characteristic bravado intact, the 49-year-old Bove vowed to continue his fight against globalisation by disrupting the World Trade Organisation (WTO) summit in the Mexican resort of Cancun next month.
There are fears that anti-global activists will disrupt the ministerial-level trade talks in Cancun, as they have done at former summits.
The article is here.
Dear Carine,
yes indeed, I do agree with you on the strange behaviour of Chirac.
Yet, do you realize what awaits Bové if he is arrested for behaving criminally while he serves his entence outside of prison and has to go on trial again ?
Maybe this is just that? A bait for him to swallow and go down for much more than he could have with his former felonies ?
But let me remind you that if the governement may put pressure on a prosecutor, the judges are supposed to be independant from it. Their decisions and sentences might not always go in the direction the governemnt wished. That's the triumvirat that leads our country : Executive-Legislative-Judicial.
sounds like pierre agrees with everything I said but still wants to molly coddle the terrorists.
Guess hes Pigheaded instead of plain stupid.
