Grim video of French handiwork in the Côte d’Ivoire. (Hat tip: LGF)
READER ADVISORY: Unadorned footage of Côte d’Ivoire citizens shot by French troops. Long load.
This hangs off the Embassy of Côte d’Ivoire, Washington D.C. site, where we are greeted with this:
France has attacked the Ivory Coast once more and, again, is seeking UN blessing for its aggression and barbarism. Under the rubric of ‘peacekeeping’ the French have been supporting the rebels, known as the “New Forces”. These rebels take defensive positions which about French peacekeeper’s lines and fire over their heads at the FANCI (Ivory Coast Army) soldiers. The French continue to protect these rebels, arm them, feed them, transport them and offer them tactical communication facilities. The notion of ‘peacekeeping’ is a total farce and a travesty.
The French bleat back:
"We saw atrocities that are absolutely unacceptable," the French foreign minister [Michel Barnier] said."Those who committed them must be held accountable," he said.
"There must be a lasting cessation of hostilities in the country," Barnier said on Europe 1 radio.
"If some parties don't immediately understand how to do that, then peace will have to be imposed," he added.
Yes, well, it becomes clear that France will not be circumscribed by any cessation of hostilities.
[Emphases added.]
UPDATE 11.21.04:
GBAGBO CLAIMS FRENCH TROOPS 'DECAPITATED' PROTESTERS
Actually it was Cardinal Bernard Agre, Roman Catholic Archbishop of Abidjan, who made the claim. Mr. Gbagbo simply comments on the report.
Ivory Coast leader Laurent Gbagbo said Saturday he believed reports were true that French troops had decapitated local demonstrators during anti-French riots in the west African state this month."I wasn't in the hospitals myself but everyone who went there said so: you may take it that the evidence provided by several people is true," he responded online from Abidjan to a website discussion in Paris [organised by the Paris magazine Nouvel Observateur].
Cardinal Bernard Agre...first made the decapitation charge, saying November 11 on Radio Vatican: "I have just come from the hospitals. It's unbearable, these young people decapitated by the French army."
Asked about alleged rape of French women during the riots, Mr. Gbagbo said: "I'd like to remind you that 4,000 prisoners got out of jail that night. Draw your own conclusions". ... Gbagbo said that during the riots 64 young people had been killed and some 1,300 injured "by the murderous bullets of French soldiers."
After all the French media coverage and pious condemnations surrounding Abu Ghraib, do you think the French 'free' press will ever show that video of French troops firing upon an unarmed African crowd in the IC?
The French are scum, do doubt about it
I "do", Blow-hard, no doubt about it.
Asked about alleged rape of French women during the riots, Mr. Gbagbo said: "I'd like to remind you that 4,000 prisoners got out of jail that night. Draw your own conclusions"
What a coincidence. And I'm sure crowds of rampaging youth chanting "A chacun son blanc" (before the shoot-out) had nothing to do with it either.
64 young people had been killed
All by the French army? Naturally, Gbagbo-the-cleanser has more crediblity than the French, eh Damian? And where's the outcry from the US State department? Why are tens of thousands Ivoirians fleeing the country? Do Pavers actually understand the situation (dumb question)?
By the way, Bgagbo-the-cleanser has been asking French civilians and businesses to come back. Does he miss them already?
I remember a post by zoomerx, maybe, 6 or 7 months ago where he called the US troops "trigger happy".
Care to comment on the French troops, zoomerx?
Perhaps at the time you were the one not understanding the situation.
How incredible this post, and this site is... The French forces were defending their perimeter there. When a crowd of thousands of people wants to swarm you, when you are protecting French (and many Westerner) civilians, what can you do? Write a letter? Call the UN?
The soldiers clearly did everything they could to avoid hitting the protesters, while at the same time avoiding being linched by them.
This site makes me sick. What did the French do to you, besides cooking better, having a more beautiful country, being better lovers and having a better life? :) I don't get it.
Gbagbo said that during the riots 64 young people had been killed and some 1,300 injured "by the murderous bullets of French soldiers."
That's a good one. I'd say 6400 killed, and 130,000 injured. Would sound better. Gbagbo is such a reliable source that I have more credibility singing in the shower.
The soldiers clearly did everything they could to avoid hitting the protesters
Oh really? On what possible basis do you make this assessment? Because based on the video and the subsequent carnage, it is clear that a number of unarmed civilians were murdered in cold blood.
Were there gunman firing at the French soldiers from the crowd? Difficult to say for sure, but if there were gunman in the crowd, why then were the French soldiers leaving themselves fully exposed out in the open on top of their armored carriers rather than seeking cover?
It's almost certain that French troops massacred innocents in that Ivory Coast protest... yet where are the the UN investigations or calls for ICC trials to try these French war criminals??
As for French having a better life than Americans, well, the French earn considerably less than Americans which is why their standard of living is so much lower... 15,000 dead after a minor 'heat wave',many hospitals without either ice or air conditioning, seems more like a banana republic than a western nation. Speaking of, when was the last earthquake or other natural disaster in a 3rd world country (other than France) in which 15,000 died?
I watched the video, seen the photo on Gbagbo's governemental website. I won't tell they are awfull,, what they show is.
in fact the video's does not bring clue to know what happened exactly, I tried then to find some article on the net. There are quite a lot but none take as established that the shooting of civilians was the fact of the french troops.
See this article from Fow News which, as far as I now is not an "LLL média"
The big problem we have in France is a lack of transparency on all what is around presidential decisions (whoever is the current president) and foreign policy, troops involvments are within the presidential domain.
When such events occure there should be at least some independent enquiries giving public conclusion. Nothing of this.. just "circulez y a rien à voir".
But this lack of transparence is not a proof that there was a deliberate slaughtering. These troop where protecting an hotel and surrounded by a mob which was not "pacific" (see fox article).
In the videos we can see the mob getting closer and closer to the hotel and the job of the troops was to protect the people in it.
Did they simply shot tear gas (this is the loud explosion and smoke you hear in the video) and fired in the air as told in fox article ? did they also fired directly in the crowd under the pressure ? did they follow any secret order to make a massive bloodsheed ?
anybody can keep on thinking what he wish to think.
As much I am in trouble with what happened in Abidjan, as much I don't see any problem about having sweeping out the Ivory coast air force. When all the atrocities around the world will be like this one, it will be heaven on Earth. Don't forget, A Sukhoi 25 is not an ambulance or fire rescue truck but and only a deadly weapon. They where used against the French troops killing 1 American citizen and 9 French soldiers, wounding 30 others. I would rather tell that just breaking the tools used for that was a MINIMAL retaliation if not just a polite answer.
May be Gbagbo spend too much time on French bashing blogs and and really believed that Frogs never fight back, allways surrender etc.
That was a mistake, it is TOO OFTEN like this... but NOT ALLWAYS.
These f** planes and helicopters where destroyed in quite accurate operations targeting and hitting ONLY MATERIAL items and did not aimed and did not hit any person.
So, this "atrocity" against poor innocent warplanes even brings this question :
Why hell bothering to make such a "soft strike" and the day after, a deliberate bloodsheed ammong civilians?
As for French having a better life than Americans, well, the French earn considerably less than Americans which is why their standard of living is so much lower...
The heat wave we went through was awful and unforeseen, and hospitals were taken by surprise, but don't let that fool you. A recent OEDC report stated that French hospital were the best in the world. And they are PUBLIC and FREE FOR THE POOR. Imagine that!
Well, as you may not know, we are the 4th economical power. Third world country? It's funny to hear that when 13% of the American population lives in poverty, when 15% have NO health insurance. How many people in the US die every winter because they sleep on the pavement, or because they have no money to heat their homes?
Money is not everything, you know. In France we have a way of life. A third of our population is not obese from eating junk food in front of the television. In France we have real traditions: my house is twice older than your country, for Pete's sake. There is nothing you have that we envy. We live better and longer than you. We divorce less, we have fifty-two times less chances of dying violently... I could say so much more.
Keep your criticism, and your self-sufficient pride. Keep your trailers, and your waived flags, your Iraqi quagmire, and your pride of being so much better than us. I'm laughing. :)
The heat wave we went through was awful and unforeseen, and hospitals were taken by surprise, but don't let that fool you. A recent OEDC report stated that French hospital were the best in the world.
Which one of us is being fooled? 15,000 dead from a heat wave is worse than any 3rd world natural disaster that I can remember, and such a preventable catestrophe is entirely inconsistent with having any sort of world-class healthcare system. Hospitals without ice or air-conditioning?? Switzerland had even hotter weather than France at that same time, yet experienced no such human disaster. 15,000 dead from a heat-wave tells the world that the French health care system is merde, no matter how many OECD 'surveys' say different.
French live longer? Oh really, by what, 1 year longer on average? Isn't that what the statistics show? and that's if you believe the corrupt, dishonest French govt figures
Back to my original question.. you stated:
"The soldiers clearly did everything they could to avoid hitting the protesters"
having seen the video, I asked you on what possible basis could you make such a claim? You simply made it up, didn't you? Did you notice the number of dead women in the video? The crowd did not seem menacing to me.
Based on the video, it looks like unprovoked French savagery, murdering unarmed civilians in cold blood when they thought no one would see. The number of women killed speaks volumes as to the indiscriminate nature of the attack.
Kind of makes you Frenchies look like jackasses for saying anything about (the far more honorable) US military behavior, doesn't it?
Funny how you stick the same point, because you cannot counter the others. Okay, let's stich to the point, and not move from it.
Kind of makes you Frenchies look like jackasses for saying anything about (the far more honorable) US military behavior, doesn't it?
This is for you and your US military that is so honorable:
Bombing innocent civilians in Iraq
Shooting civilians in Iraq
Bombed innocent civilians in Afghanistan
Torture in Guantanamo bay
Torture in Abu Ghraib
Torture in Baghram
Now, shooting at African mobs:
Mogadiscio (that's in Somalia, dear Americans. Somalia in is Africa.)
You asked for it.
As for better lovers, forget it.
from a french survey they come in well under the US and even the Brits, except for same sex affairs.
if you can't pay hospital costs in US, the cost is spreadout over the other payers. So everyone is covered.
"my house is twice older than your country, for Pete's sake"
My Grandfather is older than your 4th and 5th republics
"In France we have real traditions"
How many times do we have to laugh at that statement before you realize we are not impressed?
Yet, you still managed to kill off Diana..
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A recent OEDC report stated that French hospital were the best in the world.
Actually france is sitting in 6th place according to GDP. Which is a dismal 0.5% GDP.
This may slip lower due to the loss of such vichy like agreements with former government of Iraq. 23% of iraqi oil reserves were in the pocket of Total Fina Elf. In addition, the loss of 20 billion in the Food for Oil scam with saddam.
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Well, as you may not know, we are the 4th economical power
Just like the Maginot Line was an unbreachable defense. It was unforseen that the German Army would just march around it.
The french healthcare system likewise failed it's citzens, regardless of it's Michelin ratings.
THAT is the proof of the pudding!
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The heat wave we went through was awful and unforeseen, and hospitals were taken by surprise, but don't let that fool you.
Non cogito, you really, really don't want to talk up frogistan's "stellar" medical system you *will* lose. We school zoomeridiot everytime he tries it.
How can you sit there and rationalise this?
Who the fuck cares how much your daddy makes?
Your troops are carrying on like Your troops have always carried on. Algeria, Vietnam, Congo, Rowanda, Ivory Coast.
We have pointed this out to you on numerous occasions.
Trying to paint this as an out of control crowd is like blaiming the victim.
THese are the rational of convicted felons.
The bitch was asking to be raped.
That fucker shouldn't have been walking around with so much money.
That crowd shouldn't have sang so loud.
Get it though your head.
THERE IS NO JUSTIFYING THIS.
YOUR COUNTRY HAS BEEN DOING THIS TO THESE PEOPLE FOR OVER A HUNDRED YEARS.
DAMN YOU TO HELL.
I don't see French hospitals having to close down because of massive influx of illegal immigration. I don't see hordes of French senior citizens running to foreign countries to buy identical drugs they can afford, nor France asking a foreign country to supply flu vaccines (available to all in France and free for school children). Nearly 60 million Americans have no health coverage whatsoever, making the it a key political and dividing issue among Americans.
But in cannon-fart's rosy American universe, there is no problem.
THERE IS NO JUSTIFYING THIS.
No, but I suggest you rationally analyse the entire situation (including before French troops were asked to intervene), paper-tiggy, if you can, instead of spewing your ignorant rants. Isn't it sad that you friend Bgagbo-the-ethnic-cleanser is now asking the French to come back, after firing his top army commander? Enjoy your chocolate brownie while you can, Tiggy ;-)
No, but I suggest you rationally analyse the entire situation
French armor shooting into a crowd of people who are singing. Yes I analyzed it. My analysis is as follows. You are a piece of shit. Your troops are murderous thugs killing people for money.
And you are an accomplice.
No, but I suggest you rationally analyze the entire situation
Ah, yes. We know it was supposed to be an attempt to enforce international law against a dangerous aggressor, but, well, those of us in the know, know better!
The French moved into the chocolate-rich country in order to enforce a cease-fire among warring parties. But then they unleashed “shock-and-awe campaign against that country on the flimsiest of pretexts”. The French troops are “trigger happy” and killing civilians!
France took this “high-handed, preemptive policy without any authorization beforehand from the UN security council”. It is now seeking international support, however.
This was an “overreaction”. Nothing but an “overwhelming show of force typical of French imperialism”. After all, NO weapons of mass destruction have been found in little Ivory Coast, yet Paris has “launched a pre-emptive attack on an innocent republic that represented no real threat to anyone.”
The French president “seems to have adopted the cowboy tactics of the Wild West instead of working patiently through international diplomacy.”
It is clear to all in the world, except the French, that the “real aim of these occupiers is to control the countries vast cocoa plantations and its hold on the strategic chocolate market!” End the occupation NOW!
The UN has called for “an immediate cessation of all hostilities, yet the French continue to defend themselves.” Boy, they have a lot of nerve.
This is the “work of a small circle of ever-scheming neoconservatives around President Chirac who have plotted to seize the IC cocoa fields”. I can hardly wait until Michael Moore “exposes this whole rotten plot in his next documentary, which will show a host of suspicious ties between France’s ruling clique and Ivorian cocoa sheikhs.”
The BBC, NPR, CBS and the rest of the world’s journalists already have plans to expose this “war of aggression.”
Yes I analyzed it. My analysis is as follows. You are a piece of shit. Your troops are murderous thugs killing people for money.
And you are an accomplice.
Amen.. zoomer truly is a piece of shit, and French scum like him who defend French atrocities are accomplices
More video broadcast from Swiss TV of the French massacre of Ivory coast protesters at LGF. What's interesting is that they now have numerous European witnesses to the massacre who were horrified by the French slaughter of civilians, including a pregnant woman
France took this “high-handed, preemptive policy without any authorization beforehand from the UN security council”. It is now seeking international support, however.
This was an “overreaction”. Nothing but an “overwhelming show of force typical of French imperialism”. After all, NO weapons of mass destruction have been found in little Ivory Coast
Nice piece of parody andy ;D
And it is even more !!!
Remember how this poor W had to run all around the world to buy some support here and there, all the hassle he had trying to sell his story to the UN, ask his pup.. sorry, I mean Mr Tony Blair to build som proofs for WMD etc.
And finally failed to get UN support pfft...
Compare with Chirac's stunning diplomatic success :
in January 2003
Chirac: "Allo ? the UN? Jack speaking, I just sent some troops to invade Ivory Coast. Take the resolution accordingly and hurry up"
UN: "Yes Mr Chirac, with unanimity off course..."
Just now
Chirac: "Allo ? the UN? Jack speaking, my troops felt a bit bored in this too peacefull Ivory coast where nothing never happend. I had to give them a bit of fun letting them destroy half a dozen or aircrafts, shoot some civilians in the streets, behead one or two guys here or there... little fun like this. But now I have Gbagbo who bother me again and again, I don't have time to waste with that monkey. Can you help me?"
UN: "Sure Mr Chirac, we can take a resolution for an immediate embargo and further sanctions if they don't comply with whatever you wish within a month. How about this ?"
Chirac: "Mouaih... Sound's good. With unanimity ?"
UN: "Off course Mr Chirac, as usual"
How can this unsane president of an old decadent little country rule the world more easily than Mr GW Bush eats a bretzel ?
And btw, how could he get the support from GW Bush ?
EZ: Chirac bribed W !! with what ? with what he was himself bribed by Saddam some years ago... oil contracts ;D
This will not help reconciliation, when Condy Rice will manage to explain him that these contracts worth exactly 0 000 000 000 000.00 $ since the US army ousted Saddam, he might feel very angry.
Or will he think suddenly that ousting Saddam was not such a good idea ?
I was working the late shift at an all night gas station, when the boss' nephew and a few of his friends stopped in. We chatted a few minutes then a skidding sound followed buy a sickening thud came from the avenue.
Someone had been hit by a car at close to full speed. I saw a prostrate figure lying in the fast lane, unmoving. Cars were zig zagging around the body. The clerk from the 7/11 rushed out to the woman and said, "She is still breathing but don't move her. She is broken up inside."
Cars were still coming on this scene not even slowing down, so I grabbed my car and pulled it out into the road to cover the people from getting hit again.
The emergency crews arrived. The woman was taken away to the hospital. The lady who was driving the car that hit her was injured also and the Paramedics treated her too. The cops took their reports.
I went back to the gas station and said goodbye to the boss's nephew, who had been watching the place during the whole accident. It wasn't until much later, that I found out the nephew had stolen all the cash out of the till. The SOB didn't leave me enough to make change of a twenty for the next customer.
So Pierre was it my fault that the till was robbed? I was certainly held responsible.
Chirac and by extention the French people, are acting as the boss's nephew. We are busy in other regions so you help yourself to other people's money. If they object, so what? You have all the guns. And your more then willing to use them. After all it's not like they are real people? Right? They are only Africans. Right? You own them. Right?
Zoomeridiot you don't want to go down this road:
"I don't see hordes of French senior citizens running to foreign countries to buy identical drugs they can afford, nor France asking a foreign country to supply flu vaccines (available to all in France and free for school children)."
Hmmm 'Merican seasoned citizens are overwhelmed by high medicine costs. They are dying! They have to choose between dog food (after all the BUSH GREAT DEPRESSION is causing them sooooo many problems all they can afford is dog food, right zoomeridiot) and life saving medicines!
Ok zoomeridiot riddle me this. How would world wide pharmaceutical make medical advances without vast amounts of money needed for research into new medicines?
Hmmmm you mean it takes *money* to pay for research and materials to make drugs? Hmmmm you mean that countries with socialized medicines preventing the profits to allow for R&D (by way of breaking the patents of companies with the audacity to try to make R&D money) don't have thriving pharmaceutical companies?
Hmmmm where do these medical advances come from?
Yes we have a pay system. Yes we are freaking carrying you free loaders on our paying backs. It burns you up that your "great" society is nothing more than medical beggars. Yes our citizens are subsdicing your medical care.
Zoomeridiot if we "fixed" our medical system in the frogistan model the world could kiss medical advances good bye. Your welcome you freeloading idiot.
Your troops are murderous thugs killing people for money.
No, to maintain a peace accord, broken by Gbagbo himself. The UN knows it, the US knows it (and Bgagbo-the-cleanser knows it), you don't because you're a small, bigoted schrimp.
Yes our citizens are subsdicing your medical care.
Care to explain this little gem??? (and write in proper English as well?)
Amen.. zoomer truly is a piece of shit, and French scum like him who defend French atrocities are accomplices
Do you defend this, asshole?
And moron, this from a fellow "non-French" poster on a different (more intelligent) chatroom, which sums up the situation rather well (writing it myself would ammount to speaking to a deaf cow - with apologies to cows):
The Gbagbo government is not a legitimate government at all.
It "won" the last election by a combination of excluding ethnic groups it did not like from voting, and fraud.
Thugs massacred 70 oppostion supporters and dumped them in a mass grave during the campaign.
Since then they have committed ethnic cleansing, burning down houses, committing massacres in rural areas, purging the police, army and civil service of Dioulas (northerners), and other deeds.
Gbagbo has not complied with the peace agreement, which calls for the opposition to share power.
Gbagbo may be able to get a certain amount of support onto the street in the areas he controls, but it is unlikely he would win an fair election with all from all ethnic groups voting.
France actually helped Gbagbo's government by stopping the northern rebel's march to the south.
Unlike most who post here I actually know some Ivorians. They are northerners, and they are aware that if France suddenly withdrew now, one of two things would happen.
One is a prolonged civil war, with hundreds of thousands killed.
The other is ethnic cleansing by Gbagbo's thugs, a massacre of Dioulas.
The international community needs go get behing the peace process and demand fair elections throughout the whole Ivory Coast.
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It was not a "pre-emptive" assault at all. The IC airforce had just bombed them, killing nine. Suggest you educate yourself on the term.
Also suggest you look at some international law about what peace keepers are allowed to do if they are attacked.
Unlike most who post here I actually know some Ivorians.
WOW! and some of my best friends are JEWS!
The other is ethnic cleansing by Gbagbo's thugs, a massacre of Dioulas.
The international community needs go get behing the peace process and demand fair elections throughout the whole Ivory Coast.
Let's rewrite these sentences, shall we?
The other is ethnic cleansing by Saddams thugs...
The international community needs to get behind the peace process and demand fair elections throughout the whole of Iraq.
Well, well, well, my little frog friends. Did not notice you all giving much of a shit about Iraq before/during the war, making these same comments.
And zoomer, the French troops are "trigger-happy". (a rewrite of another sentence).
Their law said a political candidate must be a native Ivorian. Exactly like our laws say in America. There is a movement to ammend the constitution to allow foreign born citizens to run for President, but it is a fad built on Arnold's celebrity. It is sure to fail.
So are the French going to invade America, to cure our ignorant and discrimnatory Constitution next? You care to try it with someone more your size?
If you believe France believes they have the obligation to change our Constitution, forcing us to elect Arnold Schwarzeneggar as President (or at least give him the chance to run). This is the same issue that France used as a pretext to launch the invasion of Cout D Ivorie.
If you think that there is no way France has any say whatsoever over who we, as Americans, elect as President (60 million and change of you voted exactly that, Nov 2), then you have to support President Gbagbo's government. After the succession of the French puppet, Houphouët-Boigny in 1993, by the corrupt Henri Bedie, who was ousted by a general Guie in 1999, the first real national elections picked Gbagbo. He is the first President of cote d ivorie who shows sign of not having the French president's hand up his butt, pulling his string.
Small wonder the anxious deployment of French troops.
Owning the water purifying plants, electrical generators, telephones, telecomunications, Cocoa plantations, Coffee farms, wasn't enough of a lever for you frogs. SO now you have returned to the methods of yesteryear. In the tradition of Captain Binger,, spraying bullets into the crowd until they let you have your way. A crowd sure not to have the ability to shoot back due to the series of gun control laws, the French dictated to the Ivorians, during the colonial period, then later through the voice of their puppet proxies.
There is no justification for this. You are an accomplice to murder. You are an accomplice to theft. You are overthrowing the first legitimate government of a country, which your countrymen have spent the last hundred and sixty years riding like a wet whore. Get off her, pimp.
Try and stand up like a man. Get a real job. Earn your own way. Quit stealing from others.
Get out of Cote D'Ivorie. Take your French overlords home with you.
"No, but I suggest you rationally analyse the entire situation " -- Zoomer
You see, if you look closely enough you will clearly see that the troops involved are NOT AMERICAN. So move along, there is nothing to be gained by examining this more closely.
Try and stand up like a man. Get a real job. Earn your own way. Quit stealing from others.
Papertiger, unfortunately you ask the impossible of the Frogs. They could no more stand up like a man than they could actually not surrender to an enemy. They could no more get a real job than cut their governmental workforce or scrap their silly 35 hour work week. They could no more not steal from others than change their socialistic "daddy government will take care of all my needs" attitudes.
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Ok zoomeridiot you claimed the following:
It was not a "pre-emptive" assault at all. The IC airforce had just bombed them, killing nine. Suggest you educate yourself on the term.Also suggest you look at some international law about what peace keepers are allowed to do if they are attacked.
Yet when American and British forces were locked on and fired at by Iraqi SAMs it is not the same as you frogish forces being "attacked", right eh zoomeridiot? Just because our armed forces had the ability to dodge the missles didn't mean they weren't attacked.
WOW! and some of my best friends are JEWS!
Cheap, unnecessary remark, andy. Speaks volumes. Yes, I know Ivorians myself, do you?
And zoomer, the French troops are "trigger-happy". (a rewrite of another sentence).
Right andy. 60 dead in IC (according to the Gbagbo-controlled IC media), ONE HUNDRED THOUSHAND AND COUNTING in Irak, you do the math. The situation is calm in IC for now, sorry to disappoint you, even though idiots on Pave wished there was more bloodshed.
Well, well, well, my little frog friends. Did not notice you all giving much of a shit about Iraq before/during the war, making these same comments.
The difference, andy, is that the world community IS supporting France on this, that there are no WMD's in IC, that GBAGBO ASKED the French to intervene, saving his ass in the process, and that the UN unanimously backed French intervention after a broken peace accord. Clear enough?
You know what is truly PATHETIC?
Gbagbo is a self proclaimed Marxist and an ETHNIC CLEANSER and you of all people SUPPORT him, just because you at PAVE, are anti-French BIGOTS. That is truly sad and pathetic.
Cannon and Papertiger, i won't even read your posts, you are truly, truly imbeciles of the first order. I'm through.
Quit stealing from others.
Where do you get your cocoa and mahoganey wood, you simple-minded moron? Where are your Nike shoes fabricated? And by whom? Who has to build the infrastructure and tools necessary in IC? Who else benefits from it? Do you actually KNOW there are US companies in Africa (that's a continent)? Do you want foreigners do leave Africa? Do you actually know Africans?
I would have more respect for you if you practiced what you preached and abstained from using products imported from Africa and other parts of the world, but you're too dumb for that. Have you ever traveled (outside of a tour group)? Are you married? Kids? You're truly astonishing, cannon.
Do you defend this, asshole?
Hell yes I defend it you rancid French prick. We are liberating Iraq from this..,fighting terrorists who hide among and target civilians.. no doubt many of those injured in those pics were victims of terrorist attacks
Far far worse casualties were absorbed by the French population when we liberated the French scum from the Nazis.. we liberated your grandmother from the Nazis zoomer, interrupting her from schlobbing the knobs of every SS officer she could find, as was the case with so many French girls of that time
In Ivory Coast the situation couldn't be different. French soldiers slaughtering unarmed civilians, including several women... caught on film, with witnesses, including numerous European witnesses who same the same thing
US sheds blood in a noble liberation of oppressed peoples living under tyranny vs French massacre of civilians to secure corrupt financial interests
"ONE HUNDRED THOUS*AND AND COUNTING in Irak"
Many by, as your (prime minister calls them) Allies the "insurgents".
But still no match for the million you helped Saddam starve to death. While he was building his palaces
"The difference, andy, is that the world community IS supporting France on this, that there are no WMD's in IC, that GBAGBO ASKED the French to intervene"
Another difference is that no one on the Security Council is being bribed by Gbagbo and no one is sending out diplomats trying to defend him.
"after a broken peace accord. Clear enough?
Kind of like another country that failed to comply with several resolutions and the cease-fire terms after a certain war.
"Cannon and Papertiger, i won't even read your posts, you are truly, truly imbeciles of the first order. I'm through."
That is expected. After all if you don't automatically agree with the French or other far left positions you must be an idiot.
“Gbagbo is a self proclaimed Marxist and an ETHNIC CLEANSER and you of all people SUPPORT him, just because you at PAVE, are anti-French BIGOTS. That is truly sad and pathetic. “
Lets try this: Saddam is a self proclaim Stalinist(Basically the same thing) and an ETHNIC CLEANSER and you of all people SUPPORT him, just because you in France are anti-American BIGOTS. That is truly sad and pathetic.
I want to put two previous quotes together.
“Gbagbo is a self proclaimed Marxist and an ETHNIC CLEANSER”
“GBAGBO ASKED the French to intervene, saving his ass in the process”
Unlike most who post here I actually know some Ivorians. They are northerners,..
Well then, that settles it. ROTFL!!
Gbagbo is a self proclaimed Marxist and an ETHNIC CLEANSER and you of all people SUPPORT him, just because you at PAVE, are anti-French BIGOTS. That is truly sad and pathetic.
Zoomer you've posted numerous times now about how awful Gbagbo is. Can you demonstrate that you're more than just another ignorant French jackass by directing us to even 1 post you have written acknowledging the numerous atrocities committed by the islamic Ivory coast rebels? yeah, that's what I thought
Ivory Coast rebels execute children and prisoners.
Ivory coast islamic rebels suffocate dozens of children and men in metal boxes
Far far worse casualties were absorbed by the French population when we liberated the French scum from the Nazis.. we liberated your grandmother from the Nazis zoomer, interrupting her from schlobbing the knobs of every SS officer she could find, as was the case with so many French girls of that time
Ha. This is pathetic. You people on this site are such assholes. You American right-wingers think you are so superior: how come you are getting your ass kicked all over, huh?
How come you could not prevent your country from 9-11? Islamic terrorists wanted to crash on the Effeil tower, how come we shitheads stopped them?
You are obese, your are stupid, you are selfish and hateful, you make the rest of the world sick and you don't even realize it. Hell, you even think everyone is at awe in front of your great country! What a laugh.
Without us you would still be a British colony, if you want to go back to history to cover yourself.
You all stand here, giving us lessons, when 13% of your population lives in dire poverty, when you are fucking up the environment. You are giving us lessons about how you "liberate Iraq" after killing millions of Iraqis with your embargo and saying it was "the price to pay." You bastards. Now you are invading these people for oil - again! - and because you want to control the region. Do you think you are fooling anyone?
Go ahead, spit at us, we know what we are, and we know what you are worth. You should go back to your TV and your fast food, and your prom nights, your faked presidential elections and your false prosperity. The world hates you while you love yourselves.
"Whoever saves one life saves the world entire" - The Talmud
Is it not true that there is no distinct word in the French language for beheading? That is to say, a victim who has his head cut off by a sword in the muslim style, and a person who has his head removed by a cannon shot are both covered by the word décapitez?
Thus explaining the unbelievable report:
Ivory Coast leader Laurent Gbagbo said Saturday he believed reports were true that French troops had decapitated local demonstrators during anti-French riots in the west African state this month.
You see we Americans would be faulty in giving the French line, that this is a propaganda device, creedence because we would not believe that French troops would dismount their armored cars to mingle with the civilians, to take bayonet to Ivorean necks. But the truth, that French troops would use high caliber assault weapons on civilians, expolding their heads in the fashion of Oswald shooting President Kennedy, that is totally believable. Believable because we have the proof staring us in the face.
I read up on the Ivorean history. Beyond the subjegation and exploitation of IC by France, there is no history. Their history is written by French encyclopedia writers.
Think about that.
Your country not only has stolen all the profit of these peoples industry, you also extinguished their heritage. You stole their culture. You stole their story.
Get out of Ivory Coast. You have no business there anymore.
You have no humanitarian goals.
You have no moral high ground.
You have no excuse.
There is no justification for this.
Look around the globe and count the countries which still claim colonial rights on foreign lands. There is only one. You French are the minority practicing Colonialism.
How do you justify perpetraiting this 17th century evil in the 21st century?
Zoomeridiot's pearl of wisdom was:
Cannon and Papertiger, i won't even read your posts, you are truly, truly imbeciles of the first order. I'm through.
Yet he still reads and spews nonsense as way of a reply to things he no longer reads. Zoomeridiot why are you still here?
But in any case I was talking about socialism in general which is nothing more than societial theft, something which all good frogs think is just great. (From each according to ability to each according to need, eh Idiot?) However you seemed to get all defensive about African Cocoa and wood. Alrighty then, No War For Cocoa!
Yes zoomeridiot my travels in Europe were solo journies. Got robbed once in Rome and mugged in London in general because I did things on my own.
But I am curious just what the hell does my married or parental status have to do with anything? Is it because you think I have helped to spawn my 2.5 extra little resource eaters? To answer your question, no I am not a father.
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Now to Non Cogito:
You all stand here, giving us lessons, when 13% of your population lives in dire poverty, when you are fucking up the environment.
This coming from a citizen of a country which fires on Greenpeace ships...
Just curious Non Cogito, how do you figure 13% of our population lives in dire poverty? And what do you consider dire proverty?
Without us you would still be a British colony, if you want to go back to history to cover yourself.
As has been stated many times here. Without us getting involved twice you would be speaking German. BTW frogs love to mention the Revolutionary War, but you all are strangely silent on the little dust up just right before that called the Frog-Indian War. So your piddly little "help" during the Revolutionary War was nothing more than a mea culpa from early.
I think I would be remiss if I were not to thank the French Monarchy for their timely assistance during the birth of my Nation.
Any French Monarchs still around?
I am Greatful to you King Louis>
Cheap, unnecessary remark, andy. Speaks volumes. Yes, I know Ivorians myself, do you?
Are we supposed to be in “awe” that you know somebody from IC? Hell, zoomer knows somebody (what, 2 or 3, 10?) folks from IC. Well, shoot, then I guess whatever news I read doesn’t mean anything, because zoomer knows somebody from there so what zoomer thinks about IC must be correct.
I know people from Iraq and from Afghanistan. Does that mean my opinion on those countries is “worth” more than someone who does not know anyone from those countries? Talk about feeling superior.
sorry to disappoint you, even though idiots on Pave wished there was more bloodshed.
Would that be like the French who where hoping for more American bloodshed in Iraq?
It’s just way too easy to turn every darn thing you frogs have been saying the last months about Iraq and “spit” it right back in your faces.
That is if I could get my “obese, fast food filled, TV watching, environment polluting, selfish, hateful, poverty stricken, oil stealing, imperialist, embargo loving, murdering, prom going, vote rigging, faux prosperity pushing, hated by the world, superior right wing stupid ass” off of the couch.
What, Coquito, no mention of racism or guns? Please note that in the future, all anti-American rants must include verbiage about racism and guns. However, you did fine on all the other clichés.
I know two people from france, zoomeridiot and coguito. Based on this knowledge, france is full of shitheads that need to be flushed.
I propose that we once again come to the aid of an ungrateful world and remove the the french wart from the ass of society.
Once again, Cogito's remarks show the true feelings of the French towards the Americans. None of the fake "We're trying to change you" bullshit from ZooTVmer.
FACTS
- The French are Anti-American: FACT
- French culture is Anti-Americanism: FACT
- The French are our future enemies and represent a threat to our sovereignty and way of life: FACT
- The French are secretly working with terrorists and rogue nations to achieve these aims: FACT
This is the world we live in, ladies and gentlement. Write to the State Department! Tell them that France represents a grave threat to the USA.
Pro Freedom
I wouldn't characterize France as a grave threat. Annoying sure. Dissappointing yup. Not much of a threat though.
Not a threat like N. Korea or Iran maybe, but it seems clear that France is an enemy that does not hesitate to take actions which undermine our security.
It is/was French policy to sabotage UN sanctions on Iraq and Sudan, and France regularly aligns itself with corrupt 3rd world dictatorships and arab tyrants...not just in the middle east either, France has cranked up arms sales to China, further signalling a willingness to sell out Western security for money. This puts France several notches beyond "annoyance" in my book
What's more alarming, look at how little internal dissent there is among Frenchmen at these corrupt policies. A key point seems to be the French people themselves, the overwhelming majority of whom appear to be incredibly cynical willing accomplices. Maybe we shouldn't write off France yet, but I think it's high time we called a spade a spade and and enemy an enemy. We can't take more serious steps to limit their damage until we acknowledge what they are
