It is Christmas Day and Pave wishes to thank all its readers and correspondents. Yes, even our resident franchouilles.
Our complaints with France are serious and not trivial, but we put them aside today and extend warm wishes to everyone of goodwill.
Happy holidays!
Is France a Christmas grinch? According to Tim Blair, France sent only $177,000 to the tsunami aid effort. $177,000?? If true, and it looks like it is, this is more confirmation that France is a country without honor.
That kind of flies in the face of what zoomer has posted about how France is such a generous nation. Of course, all measurement of French "charity" is measured through UN donations, which like the UN oil-for food are likely inefficiently and corruptly handled.. because the French people think all charity should be taken care of by the government instead of through individuals.
Actually that was $177,000 ASD which works out to roughly $135,000 USD.
hmmm again rough mental calculation here based on 1 euro = $1.39 means Frogistan pledged 97,000 Euros at press time. That was after the US had upped their pledge twice. (From $4 mil to $25 mil to $35 mil.) Yep we stingy, greedy 'Merican cowboy are once again shown up by the fine upstanding world citizens - the Frogs.
I'm not sure where Blow-Hard gets his info, or peharps can even read...
AP - France announced $20.5 million in aid Wednesday and said it was sending 60 tons of aid to Sri Lanka, Indonesia and the Maldives.
Uh zoomer, I posted the link, which itself posted multiple sources for the info about France's miserly contribution including a Reuters report which has since been updated. Seems France got caught acting like France, and was shamed into contributing more as of late today
Right, Blow-Hard. From "$135,000" to $20 million, no problem.
True Idiot, but it is shuuuuuuuuuuuuch a shame that Frogistan had to be shamed into greater giving. With as alturistic as you claim your countrymen are there shouldn't have been any confusion as to Frogistan's intent. (Granted there still isn't any confusion, however not in the way which you would prefer Idiot.)
stunning firefight above...
the death toll reaches for now 120 000 persons. If you are interested to know who promised what, here are some news:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041230/wl_sthasia_afp/asiaquakeaid&cid=1535&ncid=2337
http://fr.news.yahoo.com/a/asie.html
Seee that load of countries are contributing as much as they can. then the amount vary accordingly. as the death toll is going higher and higher, some country are "shamed into greater giving" I don't see the point going into argument comparing who gave how much. Would be like comparing what gives individuals: the earnings CAN make a big difference in money for the same value in effort.
If some of us find it to few, here are some addresses where we can add from our own
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041230/ap_on_re_as/tsunami_aid&e=4
http://fr.news.yahoo.com/041230/1/478p3.html
Whatever we gives, oubviously it will not be enough to cover such a disaster, will not withdraw the deads alive to their relatives.
So may be the minimal for us, still comfortable behind our computers is to join our thoughts toward the victims and find others subject for our mutual bashing games.
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Pierre
How heartening to see the spirit of Christmas amok in this thread.
Bienveillance pour les hommes, gents. Oh, and peace on earth.
DGB
Just others links to aid organisations
http://actualite.free.fr/actu.pl?doc=monde/3_2004-12-30T1525_FAP4085.xml
Thanks Pierre, but after seeing the French steal medicine and food from Iraqi babies in the UN oil-for-food fiasco, I wouldn't trust the French or the UN to properly administer any sort of aid program involving large amounts of money
but after seeing the French steal medicine and food from Iraqi babies in the UN oil-for-food fiasco
... to which the US knew perfectly well what was going on, as we're finding out that many officials in the US are dragging their feet not telling more about what they really knew. Typical American foreign policy double-talk. To be continued... Why is this taking so long? Do you know that France has fully cooperated in the matter, unlike Russia and China?
And rest assured, it's not France that the average Muslim today is blaming.
As far as foreign aid, sorry but France actually ties the US in foreign aid contributions, acording to The Economist in 2003, the US spending the least among rich nation per capita (where and if the money is actually delivered is another question) . Ever heard of Medecins Sans Frontières? They've been saving lives for years in countries and conflicts you don't even know exist. Stick to "proper" criticism, ignorant idiot, there are a lot of good and generous people in France just like they are in the US.
I agree with your conclusion zoom
there are a lot of good and generous people in France just like they are in the US.
Generosity and human solidarity ignore bordures abns oceans (as, unfortunately human evil does)
take a breath blowhard
I wouldn't trust the French or the UN to properly administer any sort of aid program involving large amounts of money
We have a proverb "Ne dis jamais; Fontaine, je ne boirais pont ton eau" (never tell: fontain I won't never drink your water).
The day I will be sinking or wounded, I won't ask my saviour (if ther is one) if or where her/his diploma comes frome. I will take all what (s)he can give. as simple as this.
The death toll is today about 120 000 and load of parts hitted by this disaster are still beyond investigation. Epidemic ullness next to come due to filthy water and dead bodies...
As few it is any help from anyone is equally requested.
I agree with your conclusion zoom
there are a lot of good and generous people in France just like they are in the US.
Generosity and human solidarity ignore bordures abns oceans (as, unfortunately human evil does)
take a breath blowhard
I wouldn't trust the French or the UN to properly administer any sort of aid program involving large amounts of money
We have a proverb "Ne dis jamais; Fontaine, je ne boirais pont ton eau" (never tell: fontain I won't never drink your water).
The day I will be sinking or wounded, I won't ask my saviour (if ther is one) if or where her/his diploma comes frome. I will take all what (s)he can give. as simple as this.
The death toll is today about 120 000 and load of parts hitted by this disaster are still beyond investigation. Epidemic ullness next to come due to filthy water and dead bodies...
As few it is any help from anyone is equally requested.
sorry for the typos... next time I will have a better check on the preview.
zoomer wrote:
Do you know that France has fully cooperated in the matter
LOL! France has "fully cooperated"? How would you or anyone else possibly know that zoomer, as the investigations are still ongoing?.. they are still trying to comb through tons of subpoenaed documents with LOTS of unsanswered questions, including many about "cooperation" from French bank BNP-Paribas. Speaking of French cooperation, what happened to former French Interior Minister Charles Pasqua who was a beneficiary of the scandal?
... to which the US knew perfectly well what was going on, as we're finding out that many officials in the US are dragging their feet not telling more about what they really knew. Typical American foreign policy double-talk. To be continued... Why is this taking so long?
Who in the US "knew perfectly well" what was going on in the Oil-for-palaces scandal? Since you're known for your honesty zoomer, I'm sure you can substantiate that claim.. can't you zoomer?
Fact is, France, like the UN, is thoroughly corrupt. Neither France nor the UN can be trusted to administer aid programs involving large amounts of money, that's just a fact.
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M. Bernard had chosen our Christmas post to post his un-Christmas obloquies. In French. He then enjoined us to learn French. But we understand enough French to wonder if he kisses his mother with the same foul mouth he execrates Pave.
The Management
"If you can't read French, then learn to."
Um Bernard WHY should we? Why should we learn a stagnate language with its official language cops? Why should we learn a dying language? Why, especially, we have to read Frogish in a place which has repeatedly told people that it is an English language blog?
If we 'Mericans "should" learn a second language it should be Spanish and perhaps a smattering of Portuguese. After all almost all our neighbors in the hemisphere speak it. (Well except for the Brazilians and the frog wannabes in Quebec.)
For the record I took two years of Frog in high school. It was the only foreign language taught at my 150 person school. Two years after I graduated the Frog teacher retired and they were able to hire a Spanish teacher. The students started to receive a better, more useful education.
But more to the point why should we learn to speak Frog? With the "international language" being English why should we not embrace that? Why, on a Frog bashing web site, should we give any Frog benefits, such as reading and replying to their posts in their language?
For the record if we 'Mericans should learn another language Frogish is about 15th on the list. I have already mentioned Spanish and Portugese. Other languages which are more important on the grand scheme of things compared to Frogish: Chinese, Japanese, Arabic, Farsi, Korean, and our various Native American languages (for cultural preservation) and German (in case they try to take Frogistan over again.) Frogish should be a very low priority.
People still read Latin, so why not learn French?
OK Cannon you diverted me from my original reason for posting.
We gave more then you did. Neener neener neeeener!
C'est une tergiversation fantastique. Nous Français sommes les personnes les plus généreuses de tous.
Au contraire mon frair - We Americans are so generous we gave the disaster one of our Air Craft Carriers {rubs his knuckles on his lapel absentmindedly} No big deal really. We have a dozen more. _ Top that LeBoux!
Say, you use to have an aircraft carrier a long time ago, didn't you?
