First, Germany gets that Holocaust business out of the way.

HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL FAILS TO CONVEY SUFFERING, SAYS JEWISH LEADER

Germany dedicated its long-delayed national Holocaust memorial today ... [an] undulating field of more than 2,700 closely set concrete slabs, designed by US architect Peter Eisenman, is an attempt to show the helplessness of the 6 million Jews killed by the Nazis.

The head of Germany's Central Council of Jews, Paul Spiegel, said the memorial [called the Murdered Jews of Europe] was less a place for Jews to recall the Holocaust than for Germans. ... "It would have been desirable to point out the motives of the perpetrators and thereby allow a direct confrontation with the crime and the perpetrators," he told the ceremony.

In a message of reconciliation that won the longest applause of the afternoon, [Holocaust survivor Sabina] van der Linden, who now lives in Sydney, Australia, said there could be no collective guilt for Germans and that her survival represented "a victory of all decent people over evil".

[Germany's chancellor, Gerhard] Schröder, visibly moved, clasped Ms van der Linden's hands as she left the podium.

Whew! Germany breathes a collective sigh of relief as they are relieved of collective guilt. But those Americans! Look what they did to pretty Dresden! Look at what they're doing in once-peaceful Iraq!

Jack has already made his perfunctory Holocaust tut-tut and moved on to bigger flashier parties:

CHIRAC LEADS VE-DAY COMMEMORATIONS IN PARIS

PARIS, May 8 (AFP) - French President Jacques Chirac on Sunday laid flowers on the tomb of the unknown soldier under the Arc de Triomphe in Paris as he led ceremonies marking the 60th anniversary of the defeat of Nazi Germany.

Chirac bestowed medals on several deportees, elevating 86-year-old Henry Bulkawko - who was sent to the Auschwitz death camp in 1942 - to the rank of Grand Officer in the Legion of Honour, France's highest civilian distinction.

Well, that makes everything square.

Elsewhere, if France was in your history, then you too have something to celebrate:

ALGERIANS MARK 1945 MASSACRE BY FRENCH FORCES

SETIF, Algeria, May 8 (AFP) - Thousands of Algerians marched in the eastern town of Setif on Sunday to commemorate the 60th anniversary of the massacre of thousands of pro-independence demonstrators by French forces there.

The cortege followed the same route that the ill-fated protesters took on May 8, 1945, calling for an end to French rule in Algeria. That same day, across the Mediterranean, Europe feted the Allied victory over Nazi Germany.

French forces quickly stepped in to crack down on the Setif demonstration, leaving 45,000 people dead, according to Algerian historians. Western researchers put the death toll at between 15,000 and 20,000.

"We want to send a message to (French President) Jacques Chirac. Germany asked for France's forgiveness. Why doesn't France do the same thing in Algeria?" [Abdelhamid Salakdji, local representative of the May 8 Foundation] asked.

Why indeed. Perhaps Jack was just too busy celebrating France's cunning collaboration with Nazism.

[All emphases added.]

Funny how Jacques got a hero's welcome not long ago in Algiers... While the hatchet's been buried for a long time, mea culpas have been done and France's massacres have been exposed in the French media again and again, the FNL were no angels either, starting a campaign of unspeakable acts against French settlers, including women and babies. When you look at the Abu Grahib stupidities a year ago, I wonder how Americans would have reacted at the time. And we've seen enough of your gratuitous massacres in Vietnam and Cambodia.

Why indeed. Perhaps Jack was just too busy celebrating France's cunning collaboration with Nazism.

Cheap shot. There are many of us whose parents (in my case my uncle) fought in 1939, joined the resistance, were caught (when not executed on the spot) and sent to concentration camps, never to return. 600,000 French died in WW2, half of them soldiers. Totally meaningless when you're behind a laptop, eh?

During the war, over 77,000 Jews deported from France were murdered in Nazi camps. Of these, one-third were French citizens and over 8,000 were children under the age of 13.

Totally meaningless when you're behind a laptop.

As for the 300,000 French soldiers who died in WWII, what is the point you are making?

The majority of these were rendered meaningless by inept French generalship, not our laptop.

And, of course, the French themselves killed their own, in this case, French Communist factory workers who sabotaged munitions and ordnance going to the front prior to Comrade Stalin being disabused on the Non-Agression Pact. Also counted in this number are French fatalities from fighting the Allies in northern Africa, the Levant, and elsewhere.

And regarding your cheapshot, Abu Graihib was child's play compared to the French in Algiers.

A book published in 1996 by Constantin Melnik, a former senior secret service official, lifted the veil on secret death squads used by the French to eliminate hundreds of independence supporters.

A storm of controversy was later unleashed, in 2001, when French General Paul Aussaresses admitted in a book entitled Special Services 1955-1957 to having killed and tortured Algerian prisoners during the war.

Expressing no remorse, he said some of the killings were disguised as suicides, and authorities in Paris were regularly informed about and condoned the use of torture, summary executions and forced displacements of people.

Although the ceasefire accord reached in 1962 stipulated an amnesty by both sides, within weeks of the withdrawal of French forces the victorious National Liberation Forces massacred between 70,000 and 150,000 harkis and pieds noirs, as French settlers were called.

Only around 40,000 made it to France, where they faced discrimination.

Then president Charles de Gaulle is accused, along with his armed forces minister Pierre Messmer, of cynically allowing the killing as a means of limiting the numbers of harkis entering France.

Tut-tutting Abu Graihib. You make us laugh.

We make hold no brief for the FNL, who were terrorists, but then France created them out of French colonial policy.

Then this: "your gratuitous massacres in Vietnam and Cambodia". Please lecture us on one that was not prosecuted. Your gratuitous massacres in Algiers are yet to be admitted much less prosecuted.

DGB

Totally meaningless when you're behind a laptop.

No Damian, I'm well aware of it (btw, Holland deported more Jews), and unlike you, I do not hide my own wrondoings by dedicating my precious time faulting others. Do you ever feel like a bigot?

As for the 300,000 French soldiers who died in WWII, what is the point you are making?

300,000 soldiers, 300,000 civilians. My point is how would you like to be called a viscious racist just because of the past wrongdoings of many of your own countrymen?

600,000 French died, mostly in the hands of Germans and allied forces (1.7 million in WW1), including my Uncle. My father signed with the Free French forces the day of his birthday. To indiscriminately put "France" in the same basket regarding the cooperation with the Nazis is an insult to those who resisted, died, and suffered just trying to get by each day. I guess you don't have a clue what it's like, never having had to face such a humiliation. And France isn't the only nation who went through that, you know. Perharps this is one of the reasons most of the world - rightly or wrongly - look at you like a buch of trigger-happy world policemen incapable of empathizing what's it's like to be an occupied nation. I stress "rightly OR wrongly".

Only around 40,000 made it to France, where they faced discrimination.

40,000 at the time. The type of discrimination Blacks faced in their own homeland, Damian? Not even close. It's also quite ironic that around that time, people like Quincy Jones, Miles Davis and James Baldwin could eat or piss (excuse my language) in any Parisian establismment they chose, isn't it Damian?

Then president Charles de Gaulle is accused, along with his armed forces minister Pierre Messmer, of cynically allowing the killing as a means of limiting the numbers of harkis entering France.

Where's the proof of that, Damian? I'm no fan of De Gaulle but this sounds like complete rubbish to me. Harkis were, and still are, highly regarded. And yes, many were short-changed by the French government.

Tut-tutting Abu Graihib. You make us laugh.

No no, Damian, you make us - the world - laugh (while pissing off others very seriously, you know which ones). You can hide behind your sanctimonious lessons of Freedom, Justice, God and the "American Way" but sometimes we see that you're no better than anyone else and the worst of human nature can take over. Have you seen all the pictures? It's not only in Irak. Laugh all you want. True, Abu Grahib's no big deal in the whole scheme of things and childplay compared to what the French special forces did in Algeria, but this is 2005 and people remember, Damian. Don't they?

"My point is how would you like to be called a viscious racist just because of the past wrongdoings of many of your own countrymen?"

Happens every time I have to talk to a Francophile, I don't know about everyone else.

"No no, Damian, you make us - the world - laugh (while pissing off others very seriously, you know which ones)."

I feel so sorry that those people will not be able to redeem their oil vouchers....

I am sure that the more civilized, cultured, advanced and humanistic people, will very quickly forget Algeria, Rwanda and the other activities in Africa.
I am still waiting for the world outrage on IC and Darfur.

Any museums dedicated to those events like the one about Abu Grahib? Like you said Abu Grahib's no big deal in the whole scheme of things, but it will be remembered while the others are slowly erased. Sad really, but it is only in vogue to hate one country.

I am still waiting for the world outrage on IC and Darfur

Keep waiting.

There is no world outrage regarding Ivory Coast. As a matter of fact, France got what they wanted by getting the UN to sanction IC with a total arm embargo. As for the massacres, France has welcomed a UN investigation and clearly showed that Bgagbo's thugs opened fire first (rounds of Kalashnikoffs were found around dead civilian bodies), triggering a widespread panic. Poor self-descibed Marxist Bgagbo is now admitting the IC air force did kill 10 French peacekeepers and an American after strongly denying it (I wonder what the US Army would have done in the same situation) , and asking French civlians - business owners - to return to IC. Why hasn't the US complained? Because for a change, they see eye to eye with France regarding this dear Mr. Bgagbo and his "methods" against minorities and opposition.

Darfur? A very complex situation (when in doubt, blame the French of course). How about blaming the Sudanese government and its decades-old civil wars?

No Damian, I'm well aware of it (btw, Holland deported more Jews), and unlike you, I do not hide my own wrondoings by dedicating my precious time faulting others. Do you ever feel like a bigot?
Posted by zoomerx at May 12, 2005 01:48 AM

1. (btw, Holland deported more Jews)
Posted by zoomerx at May 12, 2005 01:48 AM

2. The Abu Grahib abuse IS heineous and for you to diminish its horrors is the height of self-denial.
Posted by: zoomerx on December 3, 2004 10:54 PM

3. (I have a strong belief in the goodness of man) Good. Then stop being so bigoted.
Response posted by: zoomerx on November 2, 2004 09:07 PM

4. Slavery? Segragation? Forceful "land grabing" (check your history)? Noooo, of course you are completely innocent of any abuse. Did I mention double-standard?
Posted by: zoomerx on October 31, 2004 01:29 AM

5. blah blah blah... Ever heard of the Chinese Exclusion Act? Japanese internment camps? Segregation? (slavery is too easy). Black Americans were free to enter any restaurant, publish any book or play in any jazz club in Paris long before you realized it was "cool" to do so. ... You mean "America" and its tendency to prop up dictators then bombing the shit out their population? Vietnam? Cammbodia? etc... Ah yes... same with African-American blaming whities like you for all their social ills? Do they have a point? ... Of course you do not know that Cinquo De Mayo is a minor celebration in Mexico, September 16 is. Just an opportunity for you to drink cheap "Corona" beers (I've been to Cancun, you can always spot your type) and puke all over your girlfriend.
Posted by: zoomerx on July 16, 2004 10:33 PM

Do you ever feel like a hypocrite?

My point is how would you like to be called a viscious racist just because of the past wrongdoings of many of your own countrymen?

q.v. No.5, supra.

As for your 300,000 French military deaths, none of my several sources put this number higher than 250,000 (Urlanis; Encarta) and as low as 166,195 (Compton's). Of these 40,000 were Alsatian French conscripts KIA with the German army and 2,653 Vichy (Clodfelter). Now America suffered 405,399 military deaths (291,557 KIA + 113,842 other)(DoD), but with the distinction of not losing the war. Strangely, you assert that French military war dead exculpates France from the crimes France committed against her own citizens. Yet America's larger and more significant contribution apparently counts for little as you gleefully recount American history as a history of atrocities.

I guess you don't have a clue what it's like, never having had to face such a humiliation.

No. But then neither do you unless you are at least 65 years old. You are not the only one in the world privileged to have a relation that fought in World War II. But few of us claim any vicarious ennoblement.

I'm no fan of De Gaulle but this sounds like complete rubbish to me.

Hhmmm, AFP. French source. Then there is this from le Figaro. A French source. The book reviewed is Un mensonge français
Enquête sur la guerre d’Algérie
by Georges-Marc Benamou, a French writer. Then there is this from the Association des harkis:

En 1995, le général Faivre, à partir des estimations démographiques de Xavier Yacono comportant une large marge d'incertitude, avançait une fourchette de 50 000 à 70 000 harkis tués par le F.L.N., souvent dans d'ignobles tortures, parfois par familles entières après des viols collectifs, etc., et cela en présence de l'armée française qui reçut l'ordre de rester passive, comme à Oran le 5 juillet 1962, et sans que l'opinion publique nationale ou internationale ne s'en émeuve.

DGB

Do you ever feel like a hypocrite?

I asked you a question first. I'll take your dodging as a "yes".

No I don't feel like a hypocrite. I react to your statements, sometimes fair, but mostly half-assed, out of context, or uncalled for. I've never posted on an anti-American website, unless you consider The Guardian "anti-American".

More on your figures later.

Zoomer,
Thanks for clearing that up.
"I wonder what the US Army would have done in the same situation"
If US soldiers had done the same thing and were cleared by the UN, there would be protests denouncing the US soldiers.
You forget Europe's stance. Blame the U.S. for everything.

How do you think the IC elections will go. I believe they are in October.

Darfur,
Plenty of blame to go around. Strange there is no anger toward the ones who fought to weaken the Security Council's response
(The same group who have the largest oil concession in Sudan BTW.) and stall any action by the ones who tried to do something.

While reading several message boards.I have seen the same reaction. My favorite is the BBC's "Have Your Say" section. The messages are usually the same from the Europeans. Damning the US inaction, saying it is because there is no oil in Sudan.

Blame the U.S. for everything.

Damian nails it when he points out Zoomer's whining like a little bitch for special consideration because he has relatives who fought in WWII.. as if millions (most?) of Americans don't. Typical French jackass. As for French atrocities in Algeria being thoroughly covered in the French media, what a joke. France did not officially acknowledge that there was a war in Algeria until 1999! While zoomer points his finger at US racism, France exercised brutality against their "dark skinned" colonial subjects the likes of nothing committed in US history... during the Setif massacres, Algerian soldiers returning from WWII after fighting side-by-side with allied forces to find their families wiped out by French genocide, 10,000 - 45,000 murdered in cold blood. Yet as the French whitewash and downplay their not-so-long-ago genocidal past, they scream over American soldiers making prisoners stand on boxes. How honest

Hell, France didn't acknowledge Vichy collaboration with the Nazis until 1995. It's the kind of core dishonesty that you'd expect from a country with little or no honor.

Zoomer, regarding your claim above, I've seen the videos of French troops shooting IC coast civilians from that Swiss camera crew. I've seen the film footage and photos of the dead in the crowd including women. Can you provide links which "clearly show" that the French troops were merely acting in self defense? I mean, since it's all so "clear" according to you, I'm sure you'll have no problem backing up that claim. Right zoomer?

Zoomerx wrote:
No Damian, I'm well aware of it (btw, Holland deported more Jews), and unlike you, I do not hide my own wrondoings by dedicating my precious time faulting others.

That's rich..after faulting Holland, zoomer says he doesn't hide wrongdoings by faulting others. Like most Frenchmen, zoomer is not too bright. You see zoomer, Holland, unlike much of France, was invaded and controlled by the Nazis. Nazis, not Dutchmen, were sending Jews to the camps. France on the other hand, under French Vichy government, VOLUNTARILY rounded up their jews sending them on boxcars to the ovens. See the difference? It's an important difference between Holland and France during WWII.

they scream over American soldiers making prisoners stand on boxes. How honest

Yes, how honest, blowhard.

http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=2444

France did not officially acknowledge that there was a war in Algeria until 1999!

What a load of shit. You've surpassed yourself with this one, blowhard. Keep them coming.

10,000 - 45,000 murdered in cold blood.

That's an awfully wide margin of grey-area, don't you think? France has acknowledged atrocities in Algeria, that's a fact and I'm not proud of it. However, the tortures were mostly directed at known FNL networks (who were no angels), not innocent civilians. Sort of like what the US is doing today against "terrorist suspects" around the world (and shipping many to countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt for "interrogation" - wink wink). You guys really can't do no wrong, can you?

Hell, France didn't acknowledge Vichy collaboration with the Nazis until 1995.

Link? The Vichy-backed government collaboration with Germany is no secret, blowhard, never has been. I think Chirac was the first president to publically acknowledge the deportation of Jews in the context of the collaboration, which doesn't mean this sad fact was unknown to all.

Can you provide links which "clearly show" that the French troops were merely acting in self defense?

I've got links if you want, but I don't think you clearly understand the context of the situation anyway. Tell me, why do you think there was no international outrage over this? Quite the opposite happened as a matter of fact (UN embargo), even Israel stopped shipping arms and radars to I.C., on France's request. The US was asked by Bgagbo, who is no dummy, to intervene politically but wisely refrained. You couldn't give a crap about corruption, ethnic cleansing and thug-tactics in IC, bloward, all you're interested in is covering your fat-ass by decrying a situation faced by France and Africa you have no clue about.

What a load of shit.

What does it feel like to be so ignorant, so duped about something so basic to your country's history? not until 1999 did the French officially acknowledge the Algerian War

Quote from the BBC:The war has always been a controversial topic in France and for many years it was deemed too traumatic a subject for public debate

Too traumatic for honest public debate anyway. It's the French way. It's who they are. Just as Chirac was in 1995 the first French leader to acknowledge his country's responsibility collaboration with the Nazis

Again, to summarize for you French slow learners: France did not officially acknowledge the Algerian war until 1999. France did not officially acknowledge Nazi collaboration until 1995. Most 3rd world sh*tholes have a better track record in honesty than the French.

However, the tortures were mostly directed at known FNL networks (who were no angels), not innocent civilians

More ignorance. It was CIVILIANS whom the French targeted for massacre at Setif, as there were no FNL networks at that time. I didn't mention "tortures" I used the term massacre and genocide, both of which are entirely correct. You are right about the disparity in the estimates of numbers killed in Setif, but no historian I've seen estimates the number massacred to be below 10,000. 20,000 - 30,000 seems to be the most widely accepted figures of innocents murdered by the French.

Villages were shelled by French artillery. Innocent civilians machine gunned down in mass. It was French committed genocide. It was mass murder against civilians.

That you are so ignorant about the Setif massacre says it all in how the French schools, French govt, and the French people downplay, hide, and rewrite French history. A country without honor has no qualm in doing such a thing. Zoomer is but another French dupe without a clue. Zoomer knows all about Abu Ghraib, but nothing about Setif. Why am I not surprised

I take it by your inability to provide evidence that a UN investigation "clearly showed" (your words) the French troops were acting in self defense shooting into a crowd of protesters in IC... I take that as an admission that you were lying you ass off and made it up. That there is in fact no evidence which "clearly shows" the French were acting in self defense as you claimed.

I think you've been humiliated enough for today zoomer

M.Zmx,

Your rules of discursus confuse us.

1. You scold us for a cheap shot right after you have taken a cheap shot. (We are not sure why remarking on French Jewish deportations is a cheapshot in a post reporting on, among other things, French Jewish deportees being commemorated.)

2. Elsewhere you scold us for lack of context when addressing a poster's poor quality of argument, this after you've gone on about "American college students drinking themselves silly", something which had nothing to do with the topic.

3. You ask a rhetorical question ["Do you ever feel like a bigot?"] then scold us for not answering it. Then you, by way of example, answer ours. One normally doesn't answer an epiplexis, as the obvious intent is to chide. However, if your surmise that a question unanswered is assent, then you apparently agree with most every position of the posters who challenges you.

4. You guys really can't do no wrong, can you?
Posted by: zoomerx on May 14, 2005 08:10 PM

The above is an example of nec non dixit ('nor did he not say', implying, 'and he said'). Apparently you believe that "us guys", scil., America can do only good. We blush. Thank you for the compliment, but America is a reflective and self-correcting nation.

You have a talent for making up rules for Pave commentors, but, being French, you of course see no contradiction in flouting these very same rules yourself. We might be more impressed if, instead of attitude, self-advertisement, and penny-lectures, you posted sensible cogent arguments that conformed to the facts.

DGB

My point is how would you like to be called a viscious racist just because of the past wrongdoings of many of your own countrymen.

Since you ask, I don't like it, but so many Europeans are ill-mannered children. Are you yourself prepared to stop?

I guess you don't have a clue what it's like, never having had to face such a humiliation.

And when did you?

Blowhard,

Your comment directly insinuates that France never acknowledged the Algerian "War", which is of course absurd. In France, it is commonly referred as "La Guerre d'Algerie". That French bureaucrats are now officially labeling this event from a "program" to a "war", no one in France gives a crap. Algeria was a war as much as Operation Irak Freedom is a "war".

More ignorance. It was CIVILIANS whom the French targeted for massacre at Setif

The massacres were a bloody reaction to Algerian militia's murders of settlers, including women and children. True, Algerian civilians were also massacred and the French repraisal was grossly unproportionate. I wonder how Americans would have reacted. By the way, do you know how many totally innocent Iraki civilians today have paid with their lives for the event of 9/11? Irak was behind 9/11, right?

That there is in fact no evidence which "clearly shows" the French were acting in self defense as you claimed.

I ask you again - why no international outrage? Why France's offer for an open UN investigation? Why a total UN arm embargo on IC after the massacre? Why is Bgagbo isolated today and IC going down the drain because of grave internal conflicts? Why are you so stupid?

but America is a reflective and self-correcting nation.

George Bush "reflective"? Excuse me while I choke on my pretzel. But seriously, after your own abuses at home and around the world in only 200 years, yes that's the least you can do.

As for "self-correcting" yourself, apparently Vietnam and the lessons of Algeria have not taught you much, not to mention supporting dubious regimes out of self-interest.

Being a major world power isn't easy, eh Damian?

Being a major world power isn't easy, eh Damian?
Posted by zoomerx at May 16, 2005 06:36 AM

Well, no. No, it is not easy. National greatness requires sacrifice, clear and operative principles, and the political stamina to go it alone. The lack thereof are all reasons that France is incapable of greatness.

The French are always on about French glory, but contemporary France's highest aspiration is to be the pampered drone in the hive of Europe.

DGB

Zoomerx wrote: Your comment directly insinuates that France never acknowledged the Algerian "War", which is of course absurd

See here that France, being the dishonest scumbags that they are, lied about, downplayed and tried to hide the scope and the nature of the Algerian War, not referring to it as a war, but as a minor "uprising". Only in 1999(!), did the French finally admit that the "Algeria thing" was more than an internal struggle with a few uprisings. France, at it's core, is a fundamentally dishonest and corrupt society. Which is why it did not officially acknowledge French collaboration with Nazis until 1995.. it's why French schoolbooks only teach about the "noble" French resistence in WWII without mentioning that huge numbers of Frenchmen who VOLUNTARILY rounded up jews and sent them to the ovens, then later stole the possessions of the jews sent to die. Every Frenchmen in WWII it seems was part of the resistence. Ever met a Frenchmen honest enough to admit differently?

Zoomer is a typical Frenchmen: ignorant, brainwashed, and not particularly bright, who routinely excuses the most vile and treacherous French behavior with "you're doing the same or worse" type of justifications. No zoomer, French history over the past 200 years is a history of racist colonialism, mass murder and brutality like that of no other western nation.

So when you point out Iraqi deaths as a result of the US liberating them, your dishonesty (and stupidity?) prevents you from acknowledging that those deaths are no different than those of your French countrymen who were killed during their liberation by US-led allied forces in WWII.

Regarding your comment: The massacres were a bloody reaction to Algerian militia's murders of settlers, including women and children, having previously lied your ass off claiming this French genocide was aimed at FNL terrorists networks, as the FNL had not even been formed at that time...you now are changing your story to a new lie that violent Algerians initially provoced the massacre by first killing settlers.

Here is what happened(from Le Monde).. After having arrested and deported a peaceful Algerian leader without charge, "in Sétif the trouble started when police tried to seize the PPA flag, now the Algerian flag" from peaceful Algerian protesters. Violence on the part of the French which resulted in deaths on both sides..

The European civilians and the police responded with mass executions and reprisals against entire communities. To remove all traces of their crimes and prevent investigations, they opened mass graves and burned the bodies in the lime kilns at Heliopolis.

Ruthless unprovoked genocidal French savagery against civilian women and children the likes of which have NEVER been seen in US history. 20,000+ civilians murdered in cold blood. And this wasn't that long ago. As an encore, the French ended up killing 1 million Algerians fighting for their freedom while employing the use of torture chambers. France = 'nation of peace', right? And contrary to your LIES above that France has issued its mea culpas to Algeria, the truth is, France has , yet to apologize for its atrocities at Setif

Again, nothing like it in US history. NOT.EVEN.CLOSE.

And have we mentioned French mass murder in Cameroun, Western Africa and other French colonies? Zoomer wants to pretend that France is more or less on moral par with the US. Nothing could be further from the truth.