Mes chers compatriotes, il faut croire en la France.
[My dear compatriots, it is necessary to believe in France.]
Jack,
shilling for fairy-tale France
PALAIS DE L'ÉLYSÉE, Paris, Samedi 31 décembre 2005
And fairy-tale France is a super special wonderful place. So unlike real France, the France the French actually must wake up to.
FIRST FRENCH RACISM SURVEY RELEASED
PARIS January 31, 2007 (AFP) - More than half of blacks in France say they fall victim to discrimination on a daily basis, according to the results of the first ever survey of French blacks released Wednesday.The survey [Baromètre des discriminations à l’encontre des populations noires de France] commissioned by a black advocacy group, the Representative Council of Black Associations [Conseil Représentatif des Associations Noires, CRAN], and conducted by the TNS-Sofres polling firm estimated that 4 percent of France's adult population is black, totalling 1.865 million.
Releasing the survey, the Council called for more data on French minorities, arguing that the state's refusal to collect information on its citizens' racial background was compounding the problem of racism in France. [Patrick Lozes, the president of the CRAN:]
For a long time, we were told there wasn't a problem because there weren't any figures.... A total of 56 percent of French blacks said they were victim of racial discrimination in their daily lives and an even higher percentage -- 61 percent -- said they had endured at least one incident of discrimination over the past 12 months, according to the survey.
More than a third of respondents said they had been exposed to "disdainful, contemptuous or disrespectful" attitudes and close to one in four said they were insulted or verbally abused.
... Lozes cited poll results showing that only 29 percent of blacks trust politicians and said "political leaders have a long road to follow if they want to reach us."
... The Council wants guaranteed representation of blacks in parliament and government. There are currently no blacks in government and no deputies in the National Assembly elected in mainland France.
But calls for affirmative action or quotas for minorities have irked many in France who champion the nation's model of a colour-blind nation that emphasizes integration.
We contend those who champion a failed national model (and here and here and here) that is anything but color-blind, do so, not in deference to gauzy Republic notions, they do so because they profit by that model's failure.
The survey's findings aside, that French racism was news was news to us. (French racism long ago spawned a French racism cottage industry.)
That this was the first survey to discover French racism was also news.
ONE IN THREE FRENCH 'ARE RACIST'*
March 22, 2006 (BBC) - One third of French people say they are at least somewhat racist, an opinion poll suggests.The figure shows an eight percentage point rise in those who said they were racist in a similar poll last year.
... Only 32% of people said they would notify police of racist behaviour they witnessed, compared to 50% in the previous year.
... According to the report, anti-racist sentiment has grown weaker since last year. ... The [National Consultative Commission for Human Rights (Commission Nationale Consultative des Droits de l'Homme, CNCDH), the survey sponsor] said the poll pointed to socio-economic unease and suggested racism is gaining acceptability.
... "Despite the efforts deployed to fight racism, anti-Semitism and xenophobia there is still a long way to go," the president of the commission, Joel Thoraval, said.
Ah, the French, deft masters of the meiosis.
[All emphases added.]
* NB: Self-admitted racists. The French themselves are here voluteering the claim.
PFFT (What is this?): Another inaccurate sloppy AFP headline 3 | Putting the lie to fairy-tale France 4 | Rayonnement français 0
Bonjour,
1)Des accusations de racisme venu de gens d'un pays qui pratiquait la discrimination raciale d'Etat il y a moins de quarante ans accompagnée de joyeusetés comme:
-La pendaison massive des Noirs jusques dans les années 30.
-L'antisémitisme d' Etat avant-guerre (Lire R. Feynman)
-Le génocide de 30 millions d' Indiens pour s'emparer de leurs terres et les parquer dans des réserves comme des animaux.
Etc,etc,
Cela prête à se bidonner !!!
2)La France est indemne de toutes ces horreurs . Elle n'a connu le racisme d'Etat que quand les Nazis lui ont imposé leur dictature en 1940 dans l'indifférence complète du pouvoir yank d'alors en la personne de l'ignoble Roosevelt qui continuait à envoyer ses ambassadeurs auprès du traître Pétain (Les collabos US: Amiral Leahy , Robert Murphy)
3)La plus belle escroquerie des Yanks est de faire croire qu'ils sont maintenant multiculturels.C'est un article d'exportation pour les naïfs , mais le racisme se déchaîne toujours aux USA de Rodney King à la Louisiane ségrégationniste que Katrina a montrée au Monde entier ahuri…
4)Puisque vous êtes antiraciste aux USA , vous élirez sans problème je pense le candidat Noir et musulman Barck Obama qui fait la joie de nos banlieues.Ou , sinon vous confirmeriez le niveau élevé de racisme aux USA…
PS:Il paraît que la dernière mode aux USA est , pour les vétérans revenus d' Irak , de se faire tatouer une carte de France.
Les combattants US authentiques sont maintenant francophiles.
Les planqués bushiens de Washington haïssent toujours la France...
Des accusations de racisme venu de gens d'un pays qui pratiquait la discrimination raciale d'Etat
And apparently, some still miss the "the good old days".
Also in the current news Joe Biden's hillarious lapsus and L.A's surge in gang violence, an integration issue Damian has never heard about, or rather dared to acknowledge.
Racaille? What racaille?
Racaille? What racaille?
Posted by: zoomerx on February 1, 2007 03:00 PM
M. Zmx has lost sight of the racaille. They can be found in abundance here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here, et al.
And here is a Frenchman speaking to smug franchouille notions of crime between the United States and France.
It is laughable that M. Zmx thinks he has a winning argument wishing up American racism while one third of contemporary France admits to being racist, while over half of French blacks report daily racial abuse, when the whole of France was recently ravaged by racial riots, and while France maintains official ghettos (ZUSs = ZNDs).
He thinks to damn us with Joe Biden, a politician with no following outside his Delaware (!) constituency, for what might be considered a political gaffe, but hardly a racist slur, while Jean-Marie Le Pen knits up over 25% of the French electorate.
But what is perhaps funniest or most pathetic is M. Zmx leaning on M. AB/AY for the strong meat in his post. What a pair! What a match! Lost in the fairy tale of France.
M. Zmx only embarrasses France further with his inept diversions and spaghetti-arm punches.
DGB
Damian must live on another planet if he thinks that if racism directed at African-Americans is any different than in France (I doubt very much that half of French-Africans feel verbally abused daily), but what can we expect from a man who can't even acknowledge not only his own history of institutionalized racism but its ramifications today? Duck the issue and point the finger elsewhere, it's so much easier. Bigot to the core, aren't you?
while France maintains official ghettos (ZUSs = ZNDs).
As opposed to no-man's land getthos (L.A. Atlanta, Detroit etc...) ruled by gangs and riped by poverty that Damian swears do no not exist.
He thinks to damn us with Joe Biden, a politician with no following outside his Delaware (!) constituency
I was not implying Biden was a racist, but if you followed your own news you would aknowledge the huge media reaction and accusations of racism, hence the sensitivity of the matter.
But you're right Damian, let's pick on someone much more famous than some guy running for the presidency.
Finally Damian, according to a well-known poll, a "clean' white-boy like yourself is much more likely to pick-up a white hitch-hiker than a black one. We know you're a bigot, but does that make you a racist?
M. Zmx is many things.
First, he is a clairvoyant. He states as fact things about our person that he simply does not know from personal acquaintance, colleagues, or any research on his part. No, the particulars of our person just come to him. But M. Zmx is not a clairvoyant, he is a pissed Frenchman without winning arguments. He pretends in disparaging our person he has refuted claims of French racism.
Second, he is a well-informed sociologist and field statistician:
I doubt very much that half of French-Africans feel verbally abused daily.And this of course is sufficient to wand-wave away a report by a reputable polling service commissioned by a reputable French black organization canvasing blacks reporting "56 percent of French blacks said they were victim of racial discrimination in their daily lives." It seems obvious here who speaks with authority. Clearly M. Zmx is more intimate with the actual experiences of French blacks as a class than the class of French blacks itself. But M. Zmx is neither well-informed nor a sociologist/statistician. He is a pissy Frenchman who believes in a personal France and a complementary "dark America" that stands apart from the facts.
Third, M. Zmx knows all things American because he once found himself here. The same authority he invokes to speak about French blacks he invokes to speak on the plight of American blacks. But M. Zmx is not an intimate of America as his comments on America and its culture attest. He is a pompous Frenchman who presumes to be more current with the daily life and places of America than those of us who live here daily in place.
But these are all things M. Zmx is not.
Here are positive attestations. M. Zmx is an incoherent and unpersuasive debater, possessing no idea how to make an argument and even less of an idea how to answer one. He thinks insults the same as refutations. He thinks his likes and dislikes are primal and determinative. He thinks his surmises as good as fact and his invented facts will go unchecked. He is boor with a boor's graceless habits.
We of course do not know if M. Zmx is white or fat or straight or a Le Peniste or anything else. Nor do we care. All we know is what he presents in these threads.
But what M. Zmx presents, as does his spiritual partner and fellow fabulist M. AB/AY, is a very stupid Frenchman.
DGB
56 percent of French blacks said they were victim of racial discrimination in their daily lives."
I can somewhat agree, but maybe Damian (an expert in African-American studies who swears there is no such thing as disfranchised minorities/neighbourhoods in America) could provide us with comparative "statistics" regarding African-Americans but you see, Damian does not like facts nor History when it comes to his own shortcomings, prefering instead on hiding behing some pompous sermon for personal attacks. What a Tartuffe.
Note his utter silence on the few current links I have provided just to make a point: racism is alive and well in America too.
Damian does not understand either the fact that French-Africans are relatively "new" immigrants in France. Compare that to how African-Americans (American citizens) were treated 40 years ago in the US (I won't even mention prior to that). Yes racism exists in France and in Europe but really Damian, you should be the last person to give us morality lessons on the subject, don't you think?
Damian Bennett, le faux-cul par excellence.
And by the way Damian, the same report states that racist incidents in France are down nearly 50%. (good "editing" job) And the question was: "are you a bit or somewhat racist?".
Sort of like yourself.
Ah, two posts from M. Zmx because he had not thought through his first.
Tartuffe. Bigot. Le faux-cul. Racist. There you have the colorful sum of M. Zmx's refutation of racism in France. Pave regulars know this is where all Zmx discursus ends up.
To whom do these epithets better apply?
As opposed to no-man's land getthos (L.A. Atlanta, Detroit etc...) ruled by gangs and riped [sic] by poverty that Damian swears do no not exist.
Posted by: zoomerx on February 2, 2007 03:20 AM
Damian (an expert in African-American studies who swears there is no such thing as disfranchised minorities/neighbourhoods in America)
Posted by: zoomerx on February 2, 2007 02:52 PM
M. Zmx's calumnies are pathetically clumsy. We invite M. Zmx to present one citation from the whole of Pave in which we have so sworn. He will not because he cannot, because we have never so forsworn. M. Zmx is a calumniator without the knack. He is like the monkey who, sitting in his shit, has no throwing arm.
A total of 56 percent of French blacks said they were victim of racial discrimination in their daily lives.
From the CRAN survey cited in the post.
I doubt very much that half of French-Africans feel verbally abused daily)
Posted by: zoomerx on February 2, 2007 03:20 AM
I can somewhat agree...
Posted by: zoomerx on February 2, 2007 02:52 PM
M. Zmx then claims that we are acting the expert sociologist when all we have done is cite the survey's findings. It is M. Zmx who, on the strength of his own opinion, first denies then grudgingly ("somewhat") deigns to agree with the authoritative findings. Who is playing the expert?
And by the way Damian, the same report states that racist incidents in France are down nearly 50%. (good "editing" job) And the question was: "are you a bit or somewhat racist?".
Posted by: zoomerx on February 2, 2007 03:05 PM
Here is what M. Zmx has "edited": "According to the report, anti-racist sentiment has grown weaker since last year. However, the report noted that the number of racist and anti-Semitic crimes had also fallen in 2005."
M. Zmx here mixes last year's apples with this year's oranges. The BBC report dates from March of 2006. The CRAN survey dates from January of this year and has primacy as to the current state of racism in France. As we make clear in our post, the BBC report is cited to contest the AFP's misleading headline for the CRAN survey.
But taking the BBC article by itself, its statements do not stand alone, they require the reader to do a little work and provide the necessary enthymemes. It is easy to understand why M. Zmx is lost.
As we report, the survey finds that "Only 32% of people said they would notify police of racist behaviour they witnessed, compared to 50% in the previous year." Now think a moment, a decrease or increase in crime is dependent on what? Well, it is dependent on reported crimes. If there is a 18% fall-off in the disposition to report racist crimes -- in conjunction with weakened anti-racist sentiment -- then the fall-off in reported racist crime is skewed to the disposition not to report such crimes. Voilà ! A drop in the rate of reported crime.
Lastly, nowhere in the BBC article does it say "racist incidents in France are down nearly 50%" as M. Zmx claims. The article never specifies the decrease. That is not "editing", that is fabrication.
Is there any point in further detailing M. Zmx's stupidity?
We do not rely on a string of epithets to characterize M. Zmx. He is stupid. That is sufficient. The rest -- hypocrisy, bigotry, mendacity -- is derivative.
DGB
