Non, la France n'est pas un pays antisémite. ... La France n'accepte pas l'antisémitisme ; elle le combat. Mais elle n'accepte pas non plus les accusations qui touchent à son honneur.
[No, France is not an anti-Semitic country. ... France does not accept anti-semitism; she fights it. But neither does she accept charges that wound her honor.]
Jack,
president of anti-Semite-free France,
explaining how France while battling French anti-Semitism non-stop,
as a point of honor, cannot acknowledge claims of anti-Semiticsm in France
PALAIS DE L'ÉLYSEE February 13, 2004 (Élysée/Yedioth Aharonoth)
A VENDRE APPARTEMENT POUR FRANÇAIS NON JUIF
28 février 2007 (Figaro/AFP)
REGULATION BANS JEWS FROM RENTING FLATS IN NICE
PARIS March 2, 2007 (Ynet News) – A municipal regulation in the southern French city of Nice requires apartment renters "to have a French citizenship and not to be Jewish."According to the Nice Matin newspaper, the regulations were formulated in the days France collaborated with the Nazis during World War II.
The newspaper found out that such a clause appears in the regulations of about 1,000 apartment buildings in the Mediterranean city, and therefore remains valid to this day.CRIF [Conseil représentatif des institutions juives de France], the representative council of Jewish institutions in France, responded with shock to the report and issued a call "to erase these signs of a disgraceful past."
PFFT (What is this?): France 0 | Those lying Jews 5 | Rayonnement français 0
Bonjour ,
Il est vrai qu'avec des philosémites comme Mearsheimer et Walt les Etats-Uniens sont au-dessus de tout soupçon....
[AntiYanks/AntiBrits , descendant de Rabbi Schlomo Ben Isthak dit Rachi ...]
... and who can forget "The Crook and the Reverend" caught on tape?
http://www.rense.com/general20/billy.htm
Christian America: Pillar of morality setting the example.
And speaking of hypocrisy... I just couldn't resist.
M. Zmx believes a little thing is the same as a big thing. Deplorable opinions without consequence in American law or society at large seems rather puny to throw in the scales against the energetic state actions in law of France segregating and exterminating French and non-national Jews.
We are still waiting for M. Zmx's damning post describing how America shipped off 76,000 Jews -- eased of their citizenship -- to be then eased of their vitality, doing the busy work of murder for foreign overlords.
[We wait. Indefinite pause. We continue to wait.]
DGB
Ah, just a "little thing". Never mind it implicated the President of the United States and the most influencial religious figure in America to this day.
(care to post my "damning post" by the way?)
According to the Nice Matin newspaper, the regulations were formulated in the days France collaborated with the Nazis during World War II.
Shameful indeed but are you implying these old WW2 regulations are in effect today? How easy it is to bring back the terrible specter of WW2 Vichy France to score points isn't it? And never mind my Uncle met his fate at the Buchenwald concentration camp in 1944, so spare your idiotic innuendos.
Are you even aware that Jews were barred from numerous country clubs as well as real estate transactions in America after WW2? Oh and I suppose segregating your own citizens until just forty years ago was a "small thing" too?
We do not imply anything, we make no innuendos. We have given the story as reported. M. Zmx seems to think the Nice Matin newspaper got its story wrong, though Figaro thought the report accurate enough to quote the originating newspaper.
As regrettable as Jews being barred from country clubs may have been, Jews were able to live and prosper in the United States nonetheless.
M. Zmx seems to think private country club access is the gold standard of tolerance and a bright world. This is the extent of M. Zmx's "damning post".
But of course French Jews being shipped off to be gassed by the French state weren't being offered memberships in any nice French country clubs. And they did not live to prosper in France.
We would bet that a Jew, given the choice, would choose living in an America under Nixon than a France under Maréchal Pétain.
That M. Zmx apparently thinks the choice is in dispute speaks to his comfortable and delusional chauvinism.
DGB
I don't "think" Nice Matin got the story wrong (typical Damian trying to put words in my mouth), I'm simply questioning if these old regulations are, in effect, enforced today. I doubt it. Shameful nonetheless.
As regrettable as Jews being barred from country clubs may have been, Jews were able to live and prosper in the United States nonetheless.
And they did not in France? Ellie Weisel as well countless Jews came to France after the war, lived there and prospered. You don't know what you're talking about, relying instead on dumb quotations like this gem:
We would bet that a Jew, given the choice, would choose living in an America under Nixon than a France under Maréchal Pétain.
How about this one:
I would bet that an African-American, given the choice, would choose living in Paris under De Gaulle than in Alabama under George Wallace.
Bonjour ,
Moi mon grand-père est tombé après l'armistice de Juin 40 , en organisant la défense des Vosges.
Mais cela ne fait rien nous sommes tous des collabos pour les Yanks.
Le 11 Septembre c'est très triste certes.
Les Yanks en font tout un plat d'ailleurs.
Mais 3000 morts c' étaient les pertes françaises PENDANT DEUX MOIS TOUS LES DEUX JOURS en mai-juin 1940 !
Alors stop à la victimisation !
We provide the link to the Figaro story detailing the Nice Matin report but M. ZMx is incapable of the click that would satisfy his incredulity:
Des règlements excluant les juifs de la copropriété sont toujours en vigueur à Nice.
M. Zmx then goes on to ask the rhetorical question of whether Jews did not go on to live and prosper in France. But in our metastasis we compare the French Vichy government's treatment of Jews -- the subject of this post -- to M. Zmx's country club prejudices of Mr. Nixon -- M. Zmx's moral equivalency tu quoque. In our comparison the answer is, no. Not one of the Jews shipped off by Vichy France and gassed lived to prosper in France. Or anywhere else.
M. Zmx thinks that any one Jew snubbed by an American country club is the equivalent of 76,000 Jews murdered with the complicity of his country.
M. Zmx's reply comparison suggests blacks in a France under De Gaulle would live a snug life of equals. Yet here are an undetermined number of French blacks who would have found life under Mr. Wallace, if not congenial, at least unextinguished.
Mr. Wallace in later years came to regret and repudiated his segregationist views. He apologized to the black community, after which he was re-elected governor of Alabama (1983–1987), during which term record numbers of Alabama blacks received government appointments.
France's De Gaulle, on the other hand, decorated Maurice Papon, the unrepentant shipper-of-Jews and the police chief behind la Nuit Noire, with France's highest honor, the cross of Commander in the Legion of Honor.
We, of course, are not surprised by M. Zmx's monumental ignorance. He also denied France in flames during the banlieusard riots in the fall of 2005.
DGB
Not one of the Jews shipped off by Vichy France and gassed lived to prosper in France. Or anywhere else.
Damian makes a point he knows full well cannot be argued against, fine. On the other hand, he chooses to ignore the historical context in which, with a barrel against her head and a nation ripe with old anti-Dreyfusards, this terrible tragedy indeed occured. It was peharps the darkest, certainly the most shameful chapter of French history. Dark times and foreign occupation on the other hand were not what America was going through when its own citizens were lynched unpunished, barred from public establishments and forbidden to vote, quite the opposite in fact. It's clear that nasty old habits were hard to break even in happy, prosperous times.
As for Papon, he was a piece of trash, I hope he is burning in Hell so no argument here. I'm not sure why De Gaulle decorated him knowing his stance against the Nazis and that his own family supported Dreyfuss.
He also denied France in flames during the banlieusard riots in the fall of 2005.
Denied? You really can't help it can you? I denied that the riots had some sort of Al Qaeda fantasy connection as some of your minions were claiming. Once again let's look at some not too distant figures happening in your own backyard:
1992 L.A. riots ("America in flames"): 60 dead, 3,600 fires, about 1 billion dollars in damages. In three days. And we all know why OJ Simpson is a free man today, don't we?
M. Zmx is perhaps the most incompetent liar we have ever encountered.
Denied? You really can't help it can you? I denied that the riots had some sort of Al Qaeda fantasy connection as some of your minions were claiming.
Posted by zoomerx at March 12, 2007 02:25 AM
Here is M. Zmx's first denial:
Paris is not burning down, Damian, and if you can't even see your own blog as a gigantic sneer at the expense others, you must be completely dellusional.
Posted by: zoomerx on November 8, 2005 07:33 PM
And here, his second:
[Meanwhile, France is still burning...
Posted by: Bildo on November 11, 2005 01:45 AM]
No it's not (well... a little). Meanwhile the economy is actually improving and heading in the right direction but nothing to brag about yet. Thanks for your heartfelt concern... will keep you updated.
Kind regards,
Z.
Posted by: zoomerx on November 11, 2005 02:53 AM
Neither we nor Bildo had anything to say about al Qaeda. Nor could we find a single “minion” making an al Qaeda claim in the riot threads. Zmx is responding to our assertions that France was burning, which it was.
That M. Zmx makes up his little stories about what he has posted knowing we can check these things betrays either the reckless gamble of the liar or reckless stupidity.
Next M. Zmx brings up his favorite reach-back, the L.A. riots of 1992. There is a reason they are called the L.A. riots, as that is where they occurred and that is where they were contained. Contrary to M. Zmx's overheated "dark America" imaginings -- "America in flames" -- America was not in flames.
Similarly, there is a reason that the banlieue riots of 2005 are referred to as the French riots as they occurred generally throughout France, not just, say, in Paris.
Next M. Zmx presents his ghoulish arithmetic. Aside from having the facts wrong (typical) -- the riots officially lasted 6 days (not 3) and 55 people (not 60), a mix of races were killed by both rioters and authorities -- M. Zmx offers this as his clinching quantitative arithmetic rebuttal. But in our examples, between 32-325 French Maghrébins were murdered by the French police (without a single prosecution to this day) in a single night (Nuit Noire) during what were peaceful demonstrations before the police arrived, while the French riots of 2005 lasted a full three weeks.
Lastly M. Zmx begins his post weeping that we are presenting arguments which he cannot refute. Now what does that say about M. Zmx’s arguments.
It is M. Zmx who time and again shows up in the threads to excuse, divert, or relativise the crimes of France until he is beaten out of excuses, diversions, and relativism. Oh, boo HOO hoo, M. Zmx can't win his jumbled-up factually defective apples-and-oranges arguments. Were he only thinly informed of what he speaks -- and not such a donkey -- he might make less losing arguments and even fewer stupid ones.
But he really can't help it.
DGB
"America in flames" -- America was not in flames.
Humor and irony have never been your forte, dear Damian.
Well, France nor Paris were "in flames" either. It was bad indeed and I do not mean to minimize the situation, but much of it was done by punks pouring oil on the fire - litterally. Copycats. The "Al Quaeda connection" was mentioned (by American bloggers of course) in a Guardian Talk UK board I was reading at the time, my mistake.
55 people killed may be "a little thing" to you (not 60, what an obscene exageration on my part!), after all it's hardly news when dodging bullets is a daily fact of life in L.A. ( banlieues Damian only think exist in movies).
Let's bring the 1961 events you're refering to. Fair shot, however I'm not sure you're aware of the fact there was a vicious civil war going on in Algeria. How many African-Americans were murdered and denied of their rights in times of peace and prosperity, just for being black?
At least all Maghrebiens were allowed to walk into any French public establishment, anytime they pleased.
BBonjour ,
Il y a un petit problème...
Les Yanks déclarent avec fierté avoir gardé IDENTIQUE la constitution de 1787.
Mais c'est sous cette MEME Constitution qu'ont eu lieu des joyeusetés comme:
-Le génocide de 30 millions d'Indiens.
-La ségrégation institutionnalisée avec pendaisons arbitraires de Noirs.
-L' antisémitisme d'Etat des année 30.
-L' internement arbitraire de citoyens US d'origine japonaise.
-Le génocide au Vietnam.
etc ,etc ,
Dans le cas des USA ce n'est pas un règlement de copropriété à changer mais bien la CONSTITUTION de 1787 des USA qui a couvert des politiques criminelles de grande ampleur...
Imaginerait-t-on que l'Allemagne conserve de nos jours la Constitution en cours en 1933 ? C'est pourtant ce que font les USA avec impudeur en conservant la constitution génocidaire de 1787.
Ce qui ne peut que faire frémir les démocrates du Monde entier car pourquoi cette Constitution ne couvrirait pas , perinde ac cadaver , de nouveaux génocides à l’ avenir comme elle l’a fait par le passé ?
C’est bien cette absence totale de retour sur soi et le passé qui est la marque de l’inquiétante politique US.
La raison réside dans la non remise en cause de la Constitution génocidaire de 1787…
